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Posted by Mr Carrot on 09-06-2001 02:50 PM:

To salavge that ship you could have probably been half way to building a BRAND NEW orion/hecate.

1st you need to get enough transports to pull it out of orbit, dangerous and costly. Secondly you need to tow the hulk through subspace to a shipyard, probbaly impossable. Thirdly you owuld have to replace the most important part of the ship, the reacot and the engineering decks that got taken out. As well as any secondary explosion damage throughout the rest of the ship. Just too much effort for a very old ship wihout updated beacm systems.


Posted by Bishop Gantry on 09-06-2001 05:50 PM:

Whee!

C'mon its an Orion its Blasfhemy not salvaging it

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Posted by Cepheid on 09-08-2001 10:38 PM:

I have to agree.

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Posted by Kellan on 09-09-2001 10:05 AM:

Two words:

War Grave?

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Posted by Turnsky on 09-09-2001 12:31 PM:

eeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwwwww, frozen corpses.

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Posted by aldo_14 on 09-09-2001 01:45 PM:

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It is perfectly feasable for a ship to last 100 years. it is mearly a question of weather or not the owners are will ing to either maintain its existing equipement or are willing to replace old componants with componants that are new and/or improved. how easy the design of the ship in question makes it to do this type of mantanance and/or replacement. and of course, weather the design of the ship is still useful or not.

a case in point would be the Iowa Class battleships of the US Navy. they have participated in WWII, Korea, Vietnam, and the Gulf War. while they are almost 50 years old, the technology involved in the operation of their main and secondary batteries has changed little since the early part of this century with the most important improvement being the addition of Radar Rangefinders. in fact, the Iowa Class Battleships still rely on the Mechanical Gunnery Computers. they are still equipeped with Optical sights on the number 2 and number 3 turrets with the unit on turret 1 being remove to reduce maintanence requirements. the main propulsion units on these ships are still in perfect working order and can propel these ships in excess of 30 knots which works out to be a little bit more than 40 Miles per hour. again, she uses standard steam boilers and steam turbine wich have changed only gradually through the last century with the last great change being the switch from heavy fuel oil (filtered crude) to high density kerosene, witch of course cause the entire fuel distribution system on all 4 battleships to leak because the new fuel is far lighter than heavy fuel oil and took 4 months to repair completely.
as for upgrades, thoes ships wich were reactivate in the 80's were given all of the lates in offensive and defensive weapons as well as hapitability upgrades and information and firecontrol upgrades wich gave these ships capabilities unheard of when they were built.
while a Orian class Dreadnought is an old ship, with proper upgrades to its reactors, engines and weapons systems, it will certainly be able to give a hecate a run for its money, especially if it travells in a proper Battlegroup, and especially if she is paired with another orian.



I guess there will be more changes in technology in the event of war.... otherwise there is no real need to spend the money. I.e. World War 2 was, I think, the last major naval offensive (not counting missile launches) the US had, so there is little need for changing the fleet... unless a major war has occurred / is immenant.

I also think that, following Capella, a number of Orions would be decomissioned and mothballed to carry refugees. Based on 'Feint,Parry,Riposte' in the FS2 campaign, a loaded up Orion can carry 10,000 crew. With military systems removed, and the fighterbay / armoury / tactical rooms refitted, it could possibly hold around twcuie that number in refugees....

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Posted by Charger on 09-10-2001 02:30 AM:

actually, there is still a reasonably lively depate going on in some of the side circles argueing for the return to active service of at least one of the battleships. and, when you place her within her battlegroup, known in the navy as a surface action group, she is quite safe. also, in any serious study of the topic, it is beleived that with her outdates armour design, she is quite possably impervious to missile attacks to the extent that one of these ships can survive several direct hits. this is due to the fact that at the waterline, these ships have as much as 10-11 inches of hardened steel in a torpedo blister, witch has a void directly behind it to contain any burn throughs on the armour. now, as outdates a conspt as this may seem to modern navy design thoery, anti ship missiles are set to bob up and then dive write in to the area at the water line so as to cause flooding as well as fire. also, in world war 2, the torpedoes caried something like 200-300 pound warheads on them, nowadays, the largest missiles might carry a 30 pound shaped charge.

there was even some talk about converting these ships to nuclear power. this was later scrapped due to the fact that noone wanted to pay for it, but, the cange over only involves te replacement of the section of the ship where the boilers are, the nuclear reators would continue to use the steam plants.

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Posted by Shrike on 09-10-2001 05:04 AM:

Um.... a Tommyhawk has a ~1000 pound warhead, the big russian shipkillers have 1000 kilo warheads. Granted most stuff that they'd conceivably run into (exocets, harpoons, etc) are much smaller.

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Posted by Turnsky on 09-10-2001 11:50 AM:

Alrighty, the ship has a thick skin, but with the exocets and harpoons are surface to surface missiles, not torpedos so the majority of damage would be done to the ships superstructure, not the hull, and one more thing: what class of ship are we talking about here? Iowa class(floating artillery )

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