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In terms of technology level now that Earth is with the alliance they have surpassed the Centauri and are closing the gap with the Minbari because humans are like a sponge, soaking up tech as it comes very quickly. It took the vorlons a 1000 years or more to prepare them(Minbari) for the great war and humans have only had hyperspace tech for about 150-200 years and look where they are now..

The EF could give the Minbari even more of costly fight than it did the first time around, but I'm not entirely sure if they could defeat them. Those Warlocks are expensive to produce and the Omegas(non-X) aren't extraordinarily more powerful than the Novas. It's possible, however, that Earth could put up a lethal defense capable of severely punishing any Minbari attack. An offensive is another story...


[url="http://hyperspace.isnnews.net/ea/eaadvome_lg1.jpg"]http://hyperspace.isnnews.net/ea/eaadvome_lg1.jpg[/url]

BTW, would the biotech skin stuff on that Omega-X (link above) look "alive" in FS2? Will it be possible to animate the textures when/if the source code is released?



[This message has been edited by Slasher (edited 02-27-2001).]

Hey, can we get a gundam board too?

Overall, I agree with IceFire, from what we've seen in the B5 universe, the humans have extremely quickly adapted technologies from other races.

During the Earth-Minbari war, the humans were cocky due to their first wars and becoming a new power in their region of space, I'm assuming that their technology was about a few decades behind the Centauri, but in resources they were lacking.

After the war, the recovery was extremely fast and technologies gained soon brought Earth enough power to pull off the Babylon project without the older races laughing at them. (I'm assuming that after the Minbari surrender, some very good diplomats made agreements with local races, and allowed Earth to keep from being annihilated in it's weakened state)

At the time of the show, my assumptions were that Earth's power surpassed the Centauri in many ways save the pride the Centuari had and the grip on some key jump-gates.

Other than that, they were a lion with no teeth fighting the Narn which had a fleet barely sustaining itself on stolen Centauri technologies and raped systems.

From what we've seen of the Minbari in that period, their technologies mainly were around stealth and their main cannons, even during the war if a targeting solution could have been found, I believe Earth could have stood a chance with "gang tactics."

Earth's fleet is much larger than the Minbari fleet from what we've seen, and so such a war would have been possible, and with the technologies after endgame it would be more than possible.

The Minbari technologies are mainly anti-energy from what we've seen as well as with their stealth systems, a Warlock with it's mass drivers alone could pound a Sharlin to pieces.

Omega-X destroyers with their adaptive Shadow Armor would also be an even match, while standard Omegas would rely upon group tactics and fighter support.

Now if Earth was fighting the ISA's Whitestar fleets, they would stand no chance, but against standard Minbari vessels they would be able to make the war last a very long time.

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oh yeah.. the sharlins are not defenseless from the sides.. those beams can pivot at their emission point - ie they don't always fire straight out

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The combination of Terran/Shadow technology, even mixed with Minbari one is just a strategic act of the Shadows and/or the Vorlons. They have been manipulating nearly all younger races (Lyta Alexander and Psi-Corps, just to mention some examples) to fill their own needs. They were "our" teachers and guides but their pride grew bigger than they were themselves. They started to use less advanced races for their own purposes and we all know what followed...

I tried to reply earlier but it didn't show up... Anyway, you had a little discussion about Vorlon/Shadow tech mixed with Terran or Minbari one. The "Tech-giveaway" was merely a strategic move. They (Shadows and Vorlons)had always used younger races for their own purposes (Lyta Alexander, just to mention an example) so it wasn't unexpected for them to proced with that. "Hey, let's give them some new tech, maybe they'll make up something smart of it" or "When we give them something new theyll fight each other and become stronger"...
Added later:
Damn, theyre BOTH here... I hate W2K >(
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[This message has been edited by Kurare (edited 03-02-2001).]

Greetings from a lurker!

I have been following this thread for some time now and I think I can help settle some arguements or atleast start some new ones.

The EA had the the ability to target the Mindari shortly after B5 got its weapon upgrades in the first season. So the question of being able to lock onto the Sharlin would be that the cruisers and destroyers could inflict much more damade on the Minbari.

You also have to think about the distances involved in the type of battles. In todays battles, or atleast when they did fight in WW2, dig ships manuvered to bring their guns to bear on the enemy that was ussually 3-7 miles away. Even with the computers they had then it was hard to hit a target. The shell would take up to a minute to hit the enemy also they could bombard costlines several miles away. In space these distances would be far greater and the ships would be moving at greater speads. It would be vertually impossible to plot a firing solution in the small amount of time while everything around you was being blown to hell.

This may or may not help but what the heck.

If you look carefully that gif animation of hybrid, you can see how DAMN big is that beam. I haven't done any calculations but I think that hybrid is about three kilometers long and at least one kilometer wide.

Shadow Hybrid has one being as the ship CPU, I know becouse that reads on one of the Crusade scripts.

Edit: I had heard that hybrid beam could actually been Vorlon technology not Shadow.

[This message has been edited by Mr. Fury (edited 02-28-2001).]

One more

True. That thing is huge.

BTW. I think those pics with the gray bg are of the LW model. James Reding's.

Its huge? I think its only a little bigger than an Omega destroyer. Its pretty powerful tho.

Again...anyone know what it is? It was never revealed in Crusade.

MUHAHAHAH

when president clarke sent out the omega x destroyers they werent fully functional yet in case you didnt notice clarke was loosing the war big time and sent them before they had been debugged if they had built it like they should they could take on Vorlon vessels MWUHAHAHHA....

me tired signing off

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you wont be smiling when my Grendel missile frigate fires all 8 missile banks at your scrumpy fighter

i was under the impression that the shadow bio armour was intended for warlock class destroyers but since they weren't finished clak had to put it on omega's so they would be ready to meet sheridans forces

on In the Begining, we saw a sharlin get severly beaten up by i think it was a hyperion class and a nova or two clearly with a firing solution, even back then around 12 years or so before the show started, the earth forces weapons and ships could kill minbari ships

Yeah...granted it was a surprise attack...but they did some pretty massive damage to that ship.

So do you have enough information to do Shadow Hybrid?

As there's already a very good model on it, it shouldn't be too hard to recreate that. Of course, if you don't want to use a fan-model as a base...

And there was more info in the released Crusade scripts.

Where can I get the scripts. I really want to read them.

Use to be able to read them at bookface.com but they have folded