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personally it think the colossus could've taken a little while longer in the design phase. Don't get me wrong, it's a kickass cap-ship but it could at least look the part.

There could still be the plans for just the frigate not the Etak technolagy. he could of had the Iceni build with out the etak technolagy. then he could have add it later after he stole it from Freedom Shipyards in Polaris. just a thot. or was it alrdy part of the ship design oh well

I rather liked the looks of the Colossus.

I thought the Colossus looked the part nicely. It was a very bold looking ship.

The Saphah class is basically the Iceni rebuilt for the GTVI for use in special operations.

Game engine wise, its just a reskin and with new tables to modify the weapons a bit. It looks cooler.

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Originally posted by IceFire:
I rather liked the looks of the Colossus.

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You honestly didn't see the 1970's ray gun design in it?

Or you like it... hmmm.....

Well, it is a kick ass ship, but I don't like it's design.

The design is cool and i like it but they should of made it shoot more then 2 or 3 beams at once that was the problem with it it had the fire power to take out a SJ it had 12 beam turruts. but i guess it would of had power problem shooting 12 beams at once heheeh

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When we first attack never had we been defeated, they were like the others hides fighting but they were not like the others they could not be killed we made or first retreat we could forgo one system we left it for the destroys and went elsware but soon they falled for a long time we did not now why they folleD

I THINK I GOT IT RIGHT NOW ILL FIND OUT WHEN I WATCH THE SCENE AGIN IN FS1

Well I would like to know how Earth has been doing till just before the Charon comes online.
Would be especially cool if it were seen from the eyes of the original Alpha 1 from FS1.
Also a size comparison between an Arcadia, the Charon and a Knossos, would be something I would like to see.

And because we're on the topic of the Cypher, I've been having major problems with her, I downloaded Derelict yesterday, but I get some wierd bug warning when ever she's in a mission, I've put in a .txt file, so that I don't fill up this place with too much uneseseary stuff. [url="http://blackfulcrum.tripod.com/error.txt"]http://blackfulcrum.tripod.com/error.txt[/url]
And when it finnaly appears in mission it shows up like a Ulysses.

You guys know of a way to solve this?

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"Mess with the best, die like the rest."

[This message has been edited by BlackFulcrum (edited 01-29-2001).]

I've heard this bug before, but I forget what caused it.

The Colossus was designed to counter large numbers of smaller ships or to focus its firepower on a couple of destroyers. It wasn't really designed to deal with the Sathanas and only the surgical strike against the Sathanas beam cannons enabled the ship to win the engagement. The Shivan ships emphasize forward firepower but lack on the flank firepower.

Oh well thanks anyway I'll try extracting the model from the Derelict.vp file and putting it into the data\models folder, see if that helps.

As for the Colossus, I agree, it isn't built for taking on a Sathanas, but in theory it could, and with taking very little damage.
It only should be put behind the Sathanas, and tilted a bit so more beam cannons have a clear line of fire.
Ofcourse this only works if the Sathanas is ignoring the Colossus and flying straight ahead.

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"Mess with the best, die like the rest."

BTW I managed to find the problem with the Saphah, I backed-up the Warzone ship.tbl one folder higher (games\freespace2\data) and it was overwriting the one in the \data\tables folder, I removed it and now everything is working fine.

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"Mess with the best, die like the rest."

But when they were designing the Colossus they did not now the Shivan had a ship that big they problem thot the Lusfier was the biggest they had. the SJ might now have rear fire power but it got alot of forward fire power.

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When we first attack never had we been defeated, they were like the others hides fighting but they were not like the others they could not be killed we made or first retreat we could forgo one system we left it for the destroys and went elsware but soon they falled for a long time we did not now why they folleD

I THINK I GOT IT RIGHT NOW ILL FIND OUT WHEN I WATCH THE SCENE AGIN IN FS1

i reckon the Collosus FLEET would have had little trouble taking on the sathanas,

one thing i would have loved to have seen is an ambush on the collosus by the ntf where they send 5-8 cruisers out around the collosus, allowing the collosus to fire most of its beam cannons at one time, probably a kewl sight

come to think of it, it's design roughly enables it to hand several smaller ships around it. The Golgotha on the other hand, looks to me that it was purpose built for concentrated firepower like the gorgon cannon out of derelect which took out a ravana in one shot. (or so i think)

The Collosus was a cool ship and it could take on anything that the NTF had and almost anything the Shivans had but not the SJ well it could from the rear. and same thing for the Lusfier the Shvain design there ships with the firepower in the front.

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When the DESTROYS came for use we attack never had we been defeated, they were like the others strange, hides, resisting, fighting only these were not like the others they did not die, we made or first retreat we could forgo one system we left it for the DESTROYS and went else ware but soon they followed they hunted use they followed use when we retreated discovered were we lived for a long time we did not now why they chased use they were no ordinary enemy they did not seek our territory our technology our resource now we know or crime was sin.

The Golgotha is actually the evolution of the Gorgon cannon from Derelict. It so happened that I mentioned to Kellan my idea about a capital ship mounting a large beam weapon when he was working on Sheridans Gambit and so the idea of a meson powered beam cannon was born.

The Golgotha can engage smaller ships on its flanks like the Colossus (not with the firepower of course) as well as kill just about anything with the forward beam cannon.

Even a Sathanas?

The Golgotha has an advantage over the Colossus in killing a Sathanas because:

A) The Golgotha is a destroyer class vessel and requires only a few months to a year for construction.
B) The Golgotha is cheaper
C) The main gun can potentially destroy a Sathanas ship in only a few shots.

If the GTVA were to encounter a single Sathanas, they would send two or three Golgotha class ships and attack from the rear or flanks. Three Golgotha ships at full power could eliminate a Sathanas in only a few seconds at near full power (note that the tabled version of the weapon is about 50% power). The power rebuild for a full power shot is about 2 minutes.

The Golgotha, unlike the Colossus, does not have the heavy armor and is far less effective against multiple targets. A Sathanas vs the Golgotha in a head on confrontation is still suicide. The Golgotha can withstand a salvo of forward beams from the Sathanas, but just barely.

So, will there be many Golgothas in BWO? Or that too much to give away?

All I'll say (all that we've decided anyways) is that the Golgotha is the prototype for a new class of destroyers designed to compliment the Hecate and Orion classes. After BWO, other campaigns can use the Golgotha class, it wasn't meant to just be a single ship.