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Posted by Sigma957 on 06-04-2002 02:47 AM:

The nova's were underpowered when EA/Minbari war was on but I guess that the remaining ones would have been upgraded, my guess would be that the G'Quan would win one on one but only just.With fighters then the Nova and her fighters would smash the Narn....

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Posted by Krytor on 06-04-2002 03:11 AM:

I think the G'Quan would win in both cases... BUT! in the scenatio with fighters, the G'Quan only barely, or might even get destroyed. If the Frazis, which weapon wise are more powerful, attacked, it would either A) distract the Starfuries, or B0 if Starfuries ignore, then they would criple the Nova. When it comes down to the fighters, all the Frazi fighters would get killed, some starfurries will get destroyed... but once the G'Quan destroyed the Nova, the Starfurries would have to either go suicidal or surrender... They can't escape into Hyperspace or anything, so I think for the most part the Battle favors the Narns.

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Posted by Indiego on 06-04-2002 05:19 PM:

If they could bring them to bear quickly enough, the Narn beam weapons would tear through a Nova's hull in seconds. If fighters are brought in, then the Starfuries are going to run rings round them.

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Posted by haderak on 06-04-2002 08:49 PM:

Despite some differenses pretty much everybody agrees that it would be a close contest. Wich is good for balancing.
Remarkable for a relatively unexperienced race. The narn are tough enough to get on other races that are far more in the space than them. Some of their battles are inded impressive even though they were in disavantage.

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Posted by Mr. Fury on 06-04-2002 08:54 PM:

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If fighters are brought in, then the Starfuries are going to run rings round them.

This is not exactly true. Narns designed their Frazi heavy fighter especially to counter Centauri Sentri fighter which is very fast and maneuverable. So in fact, Frazis can very well be formidable opponents for Aurora starfuries.

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Posted by haderak on 06-04-2002 09:14 PM:

Yes but... it has been stated a bit evrywere that the frazis rely in their heavy armor and numeric advantage to be successfull in engaging the sentris. and dont forget that the sentri fighter was built to be cheap and easy to produce so the'ire not too durable either during battles you'll rarely see any sentri without some sor of support (or perhaps Vice versa) they often tag along with the Vorchans so that the both ships complement their strenghts an weaknesess. The sentri is not a good all round fighter but can blast a frazi in just 2 shots or even less and lets not foget much more manueverable.

If your flying an Frazi and the sentri gets off fromm you frontal quadrant you are in for big trouble unless you get someone else to cover your = needs numerical advantage+stronger hull

the Starfury is a more robust design. More independent in any enterprise they intent to carry on.

If your flying a starfury and a sentri flies off your frontal quadrant you're manueverable enough to try to keep up in the turning fight.

Posted by Triggy on 06-04-2002 09:43 PM:

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Originally posted by haderak
Despite some differenses pretty much everybody agrees that it would be a close contest.

That's the main reason why I chose those two ships. That and the fact that they would be the main competing ships in the few years before and after the Minbari War. I know there weren't any major conflicts but it is likely that there were a few skirmishes, even if no ships were destroyed/people killed.

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Posted by IPAndrews on 06-05-2002 07:40 AM:

Re: Narn G'Quan vs EA Nova

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-Manouvrability
-Acceleration
-Number of weapons

Hmm... My money's on Hypno Disc.

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Posted by Triggy on 06-05-2002 08:46 AM:

You forgot style and aggression

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Posted by nct000335 on 06-11-2002 11:06 AM:

Personnally, my money's on the Nova. It has numerous weapons that APPEAR manoveurable, as they are turret mounted. As I have only ever seen the G' quan fire two weapons (its beams and energy mine), both which are in its frontal arc, it is doubtful that the G' Quan would be able to manoveur quick enough to get to do some serious damage. As for saying with or without fighters, thats like saying fish and chips without salt and viniger, they taste alright but without the extras its hard to bring out the flavour. So fighters involved, the Nova would definately win, as the starfuries are superior in numbers and in manoveurbility.

Ps. Badger starfuries can take a direct hit from Narn heavy fighter weapons. Does no one remember the first episode of B5, where Sinclair has a fight with Zephyr fighters carrying Narn heavy weapons. Hows that for armour.

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Posted by FlakBait on 06-11-2002 09:10 PM:

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?

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Posted by EXCALIBER on 06-19-2002 04:12 PM:

FRAZIS

you seem to forget that the frazis carry seeking missiles. I saw them used in the battle of Corianus 6. Their missiles could take out the starfuries while it used it's guns, which are more powerful that those of earth fighters, to attack the nova and carry out moderate damage. The G'Quan is maneuverable enough to turn around for the starfuries if it has to.

Posted by BabProj Team on 06-19-2002 04:22 PM:

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Hmm... My money's on Hypno Disc.

That thing ROCKS!!

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you seem to forget that the frazis carry seeking missiles. I saw them used in the battle of Corianus 6. Their missiles could take out the starfuries while it used it's guns, which are more powerful that those of earth fighters, to attack the nova and carry out moderate damage. The G'Quan is maneuverable enough to turn around for the starfuries if it has to.

I don't remember ANY Frazi's seen in that battle...and if they were seen they certainly were not firing missiles.

I do know that they do have missiles but so do StarFury's. Thunderbolts even carry seeking ones.

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Posted by FlakBait on 06-20-2002 01:53 AM:

Compared to a Starfury a Frazi is a pigboat. A 'fury can turn on a dime, allowing it's weapons to constantly track a target. Due to the placement of it's engines-the 'fury can do manuvers that a Frazi pilot can only dream of.

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Posted by KillMeNow on 06-20-2002 03:13 AM:

what eveidence is ther that energy mines are that effective? the fact they failed to stop shaodw vessels doesn't mean much infact the main guns ofthe q'gan are clear more power since they could at least slow up shadow vessesl - no i dont think the energy mine very powerful weapon more of a long range deterant and anti fighter weapon probally desiced to remove a fighter screen from aposing enemy capital ship at range so the frazis would have less trouble but if the enemy fighters are flying in a loose formation then tehy have little ot fear and they have a good change of evading energy mines

the plasma cannons on the narns ship wouldprobally not be that effective with interceptors they could hold them off long enough to blow the narn away - the onyl danger is the x-ray lasers which as been pointed out are limited to the forward arc and cant rmemeber where but i read that the narn ship was desinged to look fast and advanced but it was infact a lumbering beast too

now we know the nova was poorly matched agaisnt the sharlin but the sharlin couldn't be targeted and its reasonable toa ssume the sharlins got greater ranged weapon than teh narn so perhaps the nova could pummel the narn before it got into range - this is mostly guess work though but the dreadnuaght status to me means its tought to take down - and as for when there are fewer dreadnaughts around in the laterera could be explained by there prohibative cost - all those weapons had to cost a bundle

the omega by comparisson is lightly armed also i dont recall ti ever being stated in tehs how that the nova counld fire all its guns - that would be a stupid ship to press into the line of battle

nope my moneys on the nova - or at least a refitted one with x-rays lasers covering front and rear arc and heavy plasma giving near 360 coverage with heavy firepower top that off with superior numbers and quality fighters and the nova has it (in my opinion anyway)

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Posted by BabProj Team on 06-20-2002 03:21 AM:

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what eveidence is ther that energy mines are that effective? the fact they failed to stop shaodw vessels doesn't mean much infact the main guns ofthe q'gan are clear more power since they could at least slow up shadow vessesl - no i dont think the energy mine very powerful weapon more of a long range deterant and anti fighter weapon probally desiced to remove a fighter screen from aposing enemy capital ship at range so the frazis would have less trouble but if the enemy fighters are flying in a loose formation then tehy have little ot fear and they have a good change of evading energy mines

Tomcat thinks otherwise but what can I say?

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now we know the nova was poorly matched agaisnt the sharlin but the sharlin couldn't be targeted and its reasonable toa ssume the sharlins got greater ranged weapon than teh narn so perhaps the nova could pummel the narn before it got into range - this is mostly guess work though but the dreadnuaght status to me means its tought to take down - and as for when there are fewer dreadnaughts around in the laterera could be explained by there prohibative cost - all those weapons had to cost a bundle

I think the original rumor of that started on JMS' newsgroup....as did the Midwinter stuff and so on and so forth. Infact, even the name Nova isn't exactly canon. In any case, the word is that the Nova's reactors had some bugs in them originally so that when they went to fire all batteries, the engines lost power. Later versions of the Nova fixed this problem but not in time to be placed on the front lines against the Minbari.

A Sharlin is far far better in any case.

Omega's are substantially better than Nova's in a spacebattle...usually because there are more of them because they cost less than Nova's.

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Posted by Mr. Fury on 06-20-2002 08:36 AM:

I also agree that Narn energy mines are not so powerful as tomcat has described. But we have already "discussed" about it and... beh! Mines are now long range cap ship killers.

Posted by darthwoo on 06-20-2002 11:15 PM:

Neither ship seems able to sustain a large amount of punishment from what's shown in the series, so I'll go out on a limb and say they'll both kill each other in the end. Whichever ship survives will have some catastrophic systems breakdown which causes the ship to explode.

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