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Posted by ~[)ragon~ on 07-08-2003 03:57 PM:

There ya Go! And at our rate we'll never find any of them

Posted by Woolie Wool on 07-08-2003 05:37 PM:

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Originally posted by ~[)ragon~
aliens hah thats a joke you obviously don't believe in ny religons or anything also What makes you so sure there are aliens Even though space never ends There will never be aliens! haha what are the chances of there being worlds that could actually hold aliens and have resources for them to grow.. HOW did they start THe big damn bang

that theroy has so many flaws lol So what makes ya think there are and if there are what makes you think we'll come in contact with them and that there superious

First of all, I'm not a religious person.

Second, we may never establish contact with aliens and nobody knows what kind of technological capabilities other races may have. Hell, we may be the most advanced civilization in the universe. Then again, we might be nothing next to some alien superpower. No one knows.

Third, even to many pessimists about alien life, there are almost certainly life forms, even extremely simple ones like bacteria, somewhere out there. There are more stars in the universe than atoms on (and in) the earth. Is it that impossible that life must've formed somewhere with soooo many stars?

And who's this "they" that might've caused the Big Bang? Nobody caused it. According to the Big Bang theory, the universe's mass and energy were once concentrated into a superhot, superdense, infinitely small, naked singularity (just imagine a black hole without the hole so that all there is is an unimaginably small but unimaginably dense break in space and time at what would be the center of the hole where the laws of physics break down). Such a body cannot last forever and it tore itself apart in an explosion of unthinkable proportions. As for where did the matter come from, it didn't "come from" anywhere. It's always been there, but has changed forms over and over.

If you're going to argue about the origins of the universe, read [url=http://www.stardestroyer.net/Creationism/index.shtml]this site[/url], EVERY WORD OF IT, and then come back here.

Posted by JamieK on 07-09-2003 02:55 PM:

Dudes, even if NASA did make contact with an alien race, they won't tell the general population. It would cause mass panic.

We are very close to it and i would not want to see us on the verge of being destroyed by the Cosmic Destroyers because we have gone somewhere we weren't meant to be at the time.

Posted by JamieK on 07-09-2003 02:58 PM:

Also, what makes you think that the Aliens would need Oxygen??

they might be methaine or however it is spelt, or they might need Carbon-Monoxide.

My Spelling sucks. lol

Also, the aliens might have something called a non-interfeerence rule, since we are so primitive. lol

Posted by ajsims on 07-09-2003 03:23 PM:

where can i get freespace 2??

hey im a babylon5 fan and freespace2 fan does anyone know where i can get freespace 2 so i can play thge babylon5 mod??

Posted by Crackerjack on 07-10-2003 05:55 AM:

Getting back to the main topic of this thread; the idea of space combat may sound fun to some of us gamers, but of course the reality of the situation is that it's just plain not cool.

Lets admit it war is not cool, not in real life anyway. I for one hope the world's militarys never set foot outside our atmosphere (starwars is as far as they go). Any altercations in space would horribly crush any progress toward future space exploration.

Only when we humans have colonized a few planets, then we can declare our independence from Earth and start wars.

Sure it's fun for us to sit back and watch ourselves blow up because we got too close to the flak turrets and beam cannons, as we hit the restart button. Imaging trying to play the entire campaign and thereafter without dying ONCE, and then uninstall the game and never play it again if you do. Most of us would likely suck at that.

With that said I'd gather that none of us would really want to be in an actually Herc duking it out with another fighter; we'd sure be a little more cautious about attacking that Aleolus cruiser (remember not a single respawn).

I sincerely hope to see the day we achieve another breakthrough in technology that would take us around our solar system and to the stars. Perhaps it would help unify the world, reducing the concentration on military superiority.

Space exploration is important to humanity. The ISS is being built under the cooperation of many nations. People realized the importance of Columbia's mission after its loss; not just for scientific experiments, but for world peace. When the tragedy occured, the whole world mourned.

Space is a big place, but there is no room in it for war.

Posted by ~[)ragon~ on 07-10-2003 06:37 AM:

Amen

Posted by hayabusa on 07-10-2003 11:28 AM:

Well it`s not so certain any other civilization would like to establish contact with us.

Scale is the biggest problem. Whatif there`s deeply advanced civilization in a galaxy, say, from Virgo Group? Possibility that we could find them or that they could find us is almoust 0.

Actually we may be able to establish cntact with a civilization that is located quite close to us, certainly in our Galaxy and quite close to us. But again it`s possible we`re the only civilization in our Galaxy.

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Posted by karajorma on 07-10-2003 02:08 PM:

This is why I really hope they find life on either Mars or Europa. It really would end this sort of discussion. Even if we haven't contacted them yet it would seem unlikely that life could evolve independantly twice in one system and never anywhere else.

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Posted by ltnarol on 07-10-2003 03:09 PM:

Finding life outside this system using the technology we have would be very difficult, but technology does advance. Just look at the last century, or even the last five decades: we achieved supersonic flight, landed a dozen or so men on the moon, launched god knows how many satelites, and we're now looking at making railguns a standard military weapon. Granted, I for one don't really want to see railguns deployed conventionally, just because I'd fear for the existence/survival of the human race, but the technology is there.

Given another 50 years, we may be able to see the surface of a planet 20 lightyears away clearly, granted of course that the images would be 20 years old, but thats beside the point: lights in the night would mean civilization, darkness would mean lack of developed civilization.

As for actual space combat, I sincerely hope we never see such a thing - 200 different painful ways to die from one small mistake doesn't sound like fun to me.

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Posted by ~[)ragon~ on 07-10-2003 05:23 PM:

How is it possible to even think of war in space?? I mean it would take soooooooooooooo much money to just build one ship then to train the pilots would take a few years then once there in space how would they be able to move around swiftly?

I just don't think its gonna happen though I could be very wrong.

Another thing I'd like to know is how would they develop weapons for space use and how strong would ships be? Would it be like a one hit kill or what? I really don't know But I hope we don't see wars in space.. It could devestate the earth. Just imagine a Country launching spaceshuttles loaded with atomic bombs then sending them back into the atmosphere and wiping out countries :| that would be scary stuff!

Posted by karajorma on 07-10-2003 06:09 PM:

And that's exactly what they would have said about using aeroplanes to fight wars a couple of years after the wright brothers.

Why use aeroplanes to fight wars? One shot will bring them down!

People will build warships in space as soon as anyone starts putting any sort of weapon up there. They'll have to as the concequences of letting another side get total control of space are too nasty to let it happen.

Posted by ~[)ragon~ on 07-10-2003 08:08 PM:

Good point never thought of that one thanks

Posted by Trivial Psychic on 07-11-2003 07:00 AM:

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Originally posted by karajorma
This is why I really hope they find life on either Mars or Europa. It really would end this sort of discussion. Even if we haven't contacted them yet it would seem unlikely that life could evolve independantly twice in one system and never anywhere else.

I still find it highly unlikely that evidence of present or past intelligent life will be found on Mars or Europa, no matter what Arthur C. Clarke says.

Seriously though, I am hopeful and perhaps even anticipating the eventual discover of some form of rudimentiary life, past or present, on either of those two worlds. Plans are being laid for the Europa Orbiter probe which could get a closer and more extended investigation of the frozen world. Preliminary plans are also being loosely assembled for a probe to be sent to that vicinity that would be powered by an actual nuclear fission reactor... not that cheap isotope decay stuff they've been using for deep space missions since the early days. This would be coupled with a powerful ion drive and an array of scientific intruments that require too much energy for use on current probes. Its been suggested that such a probe could be launched as early as 2012.

I'm just waiting for them to land a probe with a deep ice drill and submarine so they can probe the depths Europa's ocean. Just the look the faces of people watching live shots from CNN as it prowls around volcanic tubes to detect extra-terrestrial corral and fish. Mmmmm... alien fish sticks!

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Posted by JamieK on 07-11-2003 07:06 AM:

Well,

You never know, alien races could be visiting us on a regular basis.

Also, even if we were the only race in this galaxy, what makes you think the aliens couldn't go so fast that they could arrive at our galaxy in a matter of minutes???

For example, the Azgard on Stargate SG-1, they were in space 30,000 years ago, which is a long time.

Also, Aliens would most likely be more advanced then us, MUCH more.

I just pray they aren't very warlike........or worse, like the Borg. *shivers* or even more worse, the Snake-Heads (Stargate).

I just hate it when people say it is impossible to do this or that, as someone has already said, that 100 years ago, trying to tell someone about computers like ours would get him put into a madhouse.

Imagine it, look how much we have advanced in the 20th Century......alot eh?

JamieK

Posted by karajorma on 07-11-2003 07:40 AM:

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Originally posted by Trivial Psychic
I still find it highly unlikely that evidence of present or past intelligent life will be found on Mars or Europa, no matter what Arthur C. Clarke says.

Yeah there's little chance of their being intelligent life ANYWHERE in the solar system

Like I said though if life exists on Europa or Mars it means that probably every single planetary system which has water has life too.

Posted by CapsFan on 07-15-2003 12:03 AM:

Has anyone ever stopped to think that we might be the most advanced race in the universe and there are civilizations out there still going through the stone age-era evolutionary process? I dont want to sound like a sci-fi dork here, but could we be, for instance, the first ones from B5?

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Posted by Ace on 07-20-2003 07:08 AM:

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Has anyone ever stopped to think that we might be the most advanced race in the universe and there are civilizations out there still going through the stone age-era evolutionary process? I dont want to sound like a sci-fi dork here, but could we be, for instance, the first ones from B5?

That was Isaac Asimov's postulate for the Foundation universe.

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Posted by Ghostavo on 07-20-2003 01:44 PM:

OMG

That means... we are the Shadows!! Cool!!!

Trying to prove the existance of life in the Universe is like trying to discover the Shivan's agenda... pointless until you have proof!

Until then we can just make theories and hypoteses...

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Posted by JamieK on 07-20-2003 02:34 PM:

we can't say aliens do exist or do not exist..........also, i doubt if we are the most advanced race in the galaxy.....thinking that is rather big-headedness...

Also, i played the chapter #1 of Inferno and it made me think that the Terrans are the decendents of the Ancients and that is why the Shivans attacked on Freespace 1 without reason, since we were not invading or colonizing in different galaxies like the Ancients were.......so i think the Terrans are the Decendents of the Ancients.

Also, the Shivans destroyed the Ancients 8,000 years ago and i believe that the Human Race roughly appeared then.....i am rather ****e at history so i could be wrong.

JamieK

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