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Posted by BabProj Team on 06-02-2003 05:46 PM:

Earth is still using the Olympus at the time of the Drakh attack on Earth because one gets the railgun torn off by a wing of Drakh Fighters.

Olympus was never a premier warship but essentially its been reduced to a courier, patrol ship, and fleet support vessel. You still need to have a small vessel like the Olympus around...you can't replace one with a big huge destroyer. I bet any new designs were too expensive or not useful enough to justify a new line.

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Posted by FlakBait on 06-02-2003 06:30 PM:

The class has probably been upgraded over the years as well. New electronics, sensors, maybe beefing up a couple of the turrets.

Where is the railgun located? Just out of curiousity.

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Posted by BabProj Team on 06-02-2003 06:44 PM:

The top turret...it fires...but seldomly.

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Posted by -Norbert- on 06-03-2003 11:04 AM:

And I can imagine the Olympus is very cheap.
So if you get nearly you whole fleet blown apart by the Minbari, you surely want to build some ships for coping with raiders as soon as possible (and as cheap as possible).

Posted by FlakBait on 06-03-2003 08:34 PM:

I just watched Sleeping In Light, and in the scene in question it's pretty difficult to prove that the ship is an olympus. The only one that I can think it might be is the boxy one next to the Sharlin, but it looks awfully ig compared to the Minbari ship. So based on size alone, I think it's another ship.

Mission idea for when all is said and done (EVERYTHING completed):
Pilot is part of an honor guard escorting the last shuttle out of B5. You do the last flyby, form up and move down the line of ships. One of every non-firstone/Drakh military ship should be there. With the exception of the EAS Janus, the cap ships should be named for major contributors to the Project. The shuttle should be called the Straczynski. I think that would be a nice icing on the cake mission. (Granted, on that we'll have to wait a very, very long time for.)

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Posted by karajorma on 06-04-2003 08:03 AM:

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Originally posted by FlakBait
I just watched Sleeping In Light, and in the scene in question it's pretty difficult to prove that the ship is an olympus. The only one that I can think it might be is the boxy one next to the Sharlin, but it looks awfully ig compared to the Minbari ship. So based on size alone, I think it's another ship.

If you are refering to the ship on the left of the Sharlin that's definately not an Olympus. If you look at the design closely as the ships turn away from B5 it appears to be very similar to a Centauri Primus. It's probably not a primus but a related ship (In the same way that the bluestar was only seen in SiL).

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Posted by FlakBait on 06-04-2003 02:55 PM:

I'm refering to the greyish ship just behind the Sharlin in the shot looking down fron the docking pylons.

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Posted by karajorma on 06-04-2003 04:33 PM:

Yep. Look in the next shot where they are heading away. It definately looks somewhat like a primus. Almost certainly a Centauri vessel. They probably reskinned/edited the Primus slightly and then said it's a new type of Centauri cruiser.

Posted by BabProj Team on 06-04-2003 05:01 PM:

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Originally posted by karajorma
Yep. Look in the next shot where they are heading away. It definately looks somewhat like a primus. Almost certainly a Centauri vessel. They probably reskinned/edited the Primus slightly and then said it's a new type of Centauri cruiser.

Really? I didn't think it was any different than the standard one...

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Posted by FlakBait on 06-04-2003 05:58 PM:

First) I can tell a Primus from a flying brick.
Second) I stated that the ship I mentioned was the only one that looked in any remote context, anything like an Olympus.
Third) In my first post on this thread I said that the only Earth ship I remembered seeing there was a Hyperion/Midwinter.

edit: In the shot facing the station, first ship screen left.

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Posted by karajorma on 06-04-2003 11:16 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by IceFire
Really? I didn't think it was any different than the standard one...

It looked a little less colourful than a standard Primus to me. Of course it might just be the lighting or my poor vision

quote:
Originally posted by FlakBait
First) I can tell a Primus from a flying brick.
Second) I stated that the ship I mentioned was the only one that looked in any remote context, anything like an Olympus.
Third) In my first post on this thread I said that the only Earth ship I remembered seeing there was a Hyperion/Midwinter.

edit: In the shot facing the station, first ship screen left.

Anyway I've watched the scene again and there is DEFINATELY an olympus in it.

In the shot where they look through the docking pylons you can see it next to the vree saucer (it's small and hard to spot though) and you get a glimpse of part of it turning as the ships move away.

The best glimpse is a little later. Look at the bit where the ships are flying away after B5 begins to explode. It's right in front of the bakiri ship. It's pretty clearly seen in that shot.

Anyway you kept mentioning the Sharlin which had me looking in the completely wrong place. The olympus is actually as far away as you could get from it

Posted by BabProj Team on 06-04-2003 11:48 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by karajorma
It looked a little less colourful than a standard Primus to me. Of course it might just be the lighting or my poor vision

Honestly now...you're basing it on color...no no no no no no

Bad karajorma! Bad!

Unless its a drastically different mesh, then its probably your standard Primus model (which I wouldn't see the CGI team changing for one obscure scene). It MAY have been of higher quality than when we first saw it but probably little else.

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Posted by StarGunner on 06-10-2003 08:02 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by IceFire
Honestly now...you're basing it on color...no no no no no no

Bad karajorma! Bad!

Unless its a drastically different mesh, then its probably your standard Primus model (which I wouldn't see the CGI team changing for one obscure scene). It MAY have been of higher quality than when we first saw it but probably little else.

I was not talking about a new ship or addons to it but mainly a model for it that maches the quality of the other ship models in R2. And the TBP missed something big on all their ships! Defence grids!

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Posted by FlakBait on 06-10-2003 08:25 PM:

In a firefight with a beam equiped warship the defense grid's effectiveness is essentially ZERO. The beam reaches the target before interceptor fire can be fired, and any fields surrounding the unfortunate ship will be overwhelmed in the impacted section within seconds, if there is any effect at all.

Given some of the statements made in Severed Dreams I'm willing to believe the EA beams, being of lower power than other races and having a more limited duration can be deflected at least in part. But those EA defense grids worked soooo well againt Minbari weapons.

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Posted by Triggy on 06-10-2003 09:45 PM:

i) Particle beam weapons and laser/X-ray weapons are not the same - the former can be intercepted in theory, the latter cannot as there is precious little to intercept.

ii) EA interceptors can apparently form an "energy web" that can deflect a small portion of incoming energy from any weapon source.

Now, the energy web is easier to represent in the form of a low level shield or similar (or just increasing the hull strength of the ship slightly). The interceptors working properly depends on a number of things, namely being able to actually intercept the shot, aiming properly to do so and having the AI to determine when to intercept, what shots to intercept and when to fire at enemy fighters. This makes "realistic" implementation of interceptors a very tough project and not likely to be seen soon. Certainly not before "swarm" firing is sorted on weapons like the Centauri twin arrays or "offensive" interceptor fire.

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Posted by BabProj Team on 06-11-2003 12:26 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by StarGunner
I was not talking about a new ship or addons to it but mainly a model for it that maches the quality of the other ship models in R2. And the TBP missed something big on all their ships! Defence grids!

What I was refering to in the statement that you quoted was a particular scene in Sleeping in Light and in reference to a Centauri Primus battlecruiser.

What I assume you are still talking about is the Olympus model which is exactly the same quality as the vast majority of our vessels. The only ship that really stands at a cut above the rest is the Omega and that is mainly due to the fine texturing and details that Tomcat put into the vessel.

I really do not understand the preocupation with the Olympus and the impression that it is of lower quality. Its as detailed as the rest of our vessels. Perhaps if you were more specific in terms of what the Olympus lacks artistically I might be able to understand better.

Since FS2 has no concept of defese grids, I've factored them in as the basic hitpoints of the ship. The energy web grids are essentially a structural integrity field anyways and its just there to reinforce the hull of the vessel from specific piercing blasts.

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Posted by darthwoo on 06-11-2003 12:47 AM:

Well, I guess the main thread isn't about whether the ship in Sleeping in Light was an Olympus or not, but here's resolution to the issue:

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