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Posted by Cyber Phoenix on 05-24-2003 11:54 PM:

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Originally posted by Edwin
1 computers and armor aint compareable. Windows won't stop a bullet (or a virus for that matter) and a sheet of titanium can't do math.

I mentioned the computers as an example.

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2 i don't mean just beams. and have you seen how innacureate those things are? i would pay money to see a battlecrab let itself get hit by one.

Battelcrabs in the show were hit by much slower pulse wepons, i would like to see them dodging a near light speed beam

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4 a batlecrab can generate more

How much time does it take to generate more? Can the ship do it in battle?

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5 Bull**** it slices ships like it were goin' through butter

Just because X can damage Y that doesn't mean X can damage W
I already provided proof that FS armor needs heavy Firepower to penetrate and it would take the battelcrab quite some time to get trough...

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6 i am refering to the power of that weapon, if it can collapse a jump point it can colapse a ship.

If it can colapse a ship why didn't the shadows do it more often, i didn't see them using it against the vorlon ot anyone else for that matter, thats because that weapon can't colapse ships...

Posted by Cyber Phoenix on 05-25-2003 12:03 AM:

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Originally posted by Xaphod_x
Any "this universe's ships could beat this universe's ships" discussion is always pointless.
The Enterprise could blow up the death star from a great distance away with one guided photon torpedo.
The Goa'uld could easily blow away the Minbari.
Tron drives a motorcycle better than Sheridan.

Most universes can be compared because there is many common grounds like the speed o light, Gravity, units like Kiloton or watts are the same and we can base our conclusions on these because there are the same in both universes...

Posted by Prophet on 05-25-2003 08:20 AM:

Well, I can see there is almost two people who are keeping this discussion alive... Not really a suprise considering what kind of topic this is.

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Posted by Bobboau on 05-25-2003 09:02 AM:

of all the scifi universes to compare I think FS and B5 are probly the closest to each other, the only real diference would be the tactics used (FS uses lots of fighters and a few capships, B5 uses a few fighters and a lot of cap ships)
all and all I thnk shadows would probly be a bit more powerful than the shivans have been potrayed as being (though shivans have been shrouded in such mystory half the univers's mass could be advanced shivan war ships and all we've seen were a few old light patrole ships and we wouldn't know)

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Posted by Phobos on 05-25-2003 10:16 AM:

If Lucifer-fleet was only a scouting party, then I have to say that Shivans would kick Vorlons, Shadows and First Ones all in one.

PS. Spain or Romania should have won Eurovision.

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Posted by Edwin on 05-25-2003 03:38 PM:

the Shivans could kick everyone's asses (except Lorien's, he'd just suck away thier life-force ). It's the GTVA I think would get their but kicked.

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Posted by -Norbert- on 05-26-2003 11:30 AM:

I think theres a greater problem for putting FS2 and TBP together than the "Universe vs. Universe"-thing.
It would be quite unfair!
You discuss from the view of a general or so. But think of the pilotes.
You sit in a Aurora without shields, weaker hull and maybe weaker weapons and have missiles, that have problems to hit a dinosaur (if guided at all).
And you have to fight fighters with strong hulls, even stronger shields, fast firing lasers and very accurate missiles that make low shield- and high hulldamage.

You think that would be funny? As a FS fighter it would be to easy and as B5 it would be (apart from the FistOnes) to hard, if the AI isn't totally dumb.

Edit: I forgot to mention the Maxim!

Posted by Commander Azrael on 05-26-2003 12:00 PM:

...It was a Hand of Sheridan Tacitcal Nuke. Yield: Enough to destroy whatever is needed.

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Posted by StarGunner on 05-26-2003 12:40 PM:

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...It was a Hand of Sheridan Tacitcal Nuke. Yield: Enough to destroy whatever is needed.

Back on topic peaple!

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Posted by Ashark on 05-26-2003 01:49 PM:

well i bet that the minbari would whipe out any races in FS2 just open a jumphole in the middle of a sath WHAM no more sath jump in ealsewhere at the side of sath zap zap slice it to peaces no more ship

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Posted by Edwin on 05-26-2003 02:57 PM:

how'd you think a Hecate would look with a Battlecrab phased through it?

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Posted by Kosh_Naranek on 05-26-2003 03:54 PM:

All you need to blow up FS2 Universe...

is the Vorlon and the Shadow Planetkiller.

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Posted by Cyber Phoenix on 05-26-2003 04:35 PM:

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well i bet that the minbari would whipe out any races in FS2 just open a jumphole in the middle of a sath WHAM no more sath jump in ealsewhere at the side of sath zap zap slice it to peaces no more ship

Never in the show the Minbari opened a jump point inside a target ship, they can't.
The closest thing they ever did was opening that jump point in the middle of the EA fleet in In the beggining and they had to draw them to the right coordinates...
You are also supposing that the Sath will not fight back, besides a Sath also has side beams, they are weaker but it still beams...

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how'd you think a Hecate would look with a Battlecrab phased through it?

When have shadow ships phased inside solid matter even when it could give then a large advantaged? They never did...

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is the Vorlon and the Shadow Planetkiller.

The Lucifer has about the same Firepower then the VPK, it did lay waste to Vasuda Prime...

Posted by Phobos on 05-26-2003 04:53 PM:

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Originally posted by Cyber Phoenix

The Lucifer has about the same Firepower then the VPK, it did lay waste to Vasuda Prime... [/B]

And it took them two days. Vorlon Planetkiller destroyed planet in few seconds and Shadow Planetkiller in 10-12 hours.

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Posted by Ghostavo on 05-26-2003 08:49 PM:

PK? Lucifer?

Does anyone remember the Capella supernova?

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Posted by whitelight on 05-26-2003 09:53 PM:

I have mixed the B5 mod with the FS2 ships and leaving all weapons as they are the Nova class can kick the sh-t out of an orion before it even can get in beam range, even with THT3`s on the Orion which I have modified the distance, and the Nova has no beam weapons...

I did however have a problem with the CR Vorchan when I first used it in game it dropped to desktop after it fired opon an oposeing ship, however I think I have finally solved that problem with a little table editing to the weapons, it hasen`t crashed since, but will do more testing to be sure... Other than that i`m useing DTP`s third beta release of FS2 and Fred so I could get the ship table limit up to 200 entries.. Also has a jump node limit of 10 in game and allows me to make the knossos play dead and not rotate.. Had to give it the supercap flag tho to keep it from crashing to desktop.. Other than that i`m happy with my version..

On a side note, i`m waiting till the speech files to be released before I run the B5 mod in all it`s splender.. didn`t get the hang of trying to read the messages while fighting the bad guys, got toasted to often.. And for that i`ll wait for the speech files to be released.. I won`t rush the B5 team, they do better work that way, so don`t worry guys, I can wait as long as it takes..

Posted by Edwin on 05-27-2003 12:34 AM:

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Originally posted by Cyber Phoenix

The Lucifer has about the same Firepower then the VPK, it did lay waste to Vasuda Prime...

yah but Vasuda Prime was still in one piece afterwords. The VPK would have renderd it space-dust. The Lucifer and the SPK have about the same planet-ripping power but lets see one ****in huge beam fight a couple million thermo-nuclear missiles. That and anything that gets inside death cloud gets it's ass frozen off.

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Posted by silver dracon on 05-27-2003 03:33 AM:

vorlons and shadows could any time beat shivans

they have firepower vorlon ship and shadows ships are fast

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Posted by mr. Duck on 05-27-2003 08:50 AM:

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Originally posted by Ghostavo
PK? Lucifer?

Does anyone remember the Capella supernova?

Yup, forget about the lucifer and it's firepower, Shivan's got them sathanas fleet, and they won't lay waste on one planet alone...

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