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Posted by Mr. Fury on 01-08-2003 03:28 PM:

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Originally posted by RangerKarl
That might work in a B5 style universe, where the "hyperspace " dimension was a seperate universe with different laws. Freespace style subspace seems to function a little like islands connected by roads.

Not a go. Cargo loading, let alone fighting, is very dangerous in hyperspace. It was not precisely explained why it is so dangerous, or at least I can't remember such. I still believe that FO's may have developed some safety systems and whatnot if hyperspace fighting is required.

I believe hyperspace is dangerous because it is so volatile. Weapon charges may possible cause a chain reaction of explosions. This is only my theory though.

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hmmm...

I gather it would be VERY unhealthy to ask IceFire or anyone else of the Babylon Project to see if they can use this idea?

I don't want to end up as Vorlon fodder...

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Posted by Someone on 01-09-2003 10:47 AM:

Er...to whom do I offer prayers now?

Er...

*prays to any listening Volitionwatch God for salvation*

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Posted by Someone on 01-09-2003 10:47 AM:

Er...to whom do I offer prayers now?

Er...

*prays to any listening Volitionwatch God for salvation*

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Posted by RangerKarl on 01-09-2003 11:33 AM:

*launches protector pods at Someone*

Use these!

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Posted by RangerKarl on 01-09-2003 11:33 AM:

*launches protector pods at Someone*

Use these!

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Posted by Black Wolf on 01-09-2003 04:07 PM:

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Originally posted by RangerKarl
*launches protector pods at Someone*

I find this tremendously fuunny

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Posted by Black Wolf on 01-09-2003 04:07 PM:

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*launches protector pods at Someone*

I find this tremendously fuunny

Posted by IceFire on 01-09-2003 04:40 PM:

Subspace in FreeSpace works like this. Subspace tunnels can be opened anywhere to anywhere else within a strong enough gravitational field. Sure gravity is important in normal space but its all or nothing for subspace (where the laws are completely different). A ship that enters subspace pretty much has to set a destination and exit at that point. It forms a tunnel from location A to location B and the distance is relatively small compaired to normal space.

When we talk about going between star systems, subspace forces unbeknownest to us (in a fictional sense) control the tunnels of connection between star systems. My guess is that the arrangement of stars within a given galaxy determine the paths that these tunnels lead. They are exactly the same as when a fighter opens a node in a star system and travels from point A to point B except that the tunnels end points are fixed instead of somewhat flexible and fluid.

Thats the best explanation. Its not a completely separate realm (and neither is normal space - subspace impacts on normal space and normal space determines subspace). There are no planets in subspace...or at least nothing like in real space. Its just another space ontop of normal space that is smaller and therefore quicker to travel.

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Posted by ns33 on 01-09-2003 11:23 PM:

THIS JUST IN!!! The speed of gravity has been calculated!!!

Ever since 1999, physicists have been pouring over data collected from a quasar far far far far far far far (you get the idea) away. NASA released news yesterday that the speed of gravity of approx. 106% the speed of light (error margin +/- 21%).

And now the question: does todays theory STILL hold true that nothing is faster than light (that is, if there is <6% error)??

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Posted by ns33 on 01-09-2003 11:23 PM:

Posted by Fetty on 01-09-2003 11:56 PM:

nonono
the theory is that nothing can accelerate to the speed of light or the objects mass would become infinet
or something like that

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Posted by Fetty on 01-09-2003 11:56 PM:

nonono
the theory is that nothing can accelerate to the speed of light or the objects mass would become infinet
or something like that

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Posted by Ace on 01-09-2003 11:59 PM:

Considering the fact that the study mentioned they had a 20% margin for error, Einstein's right.

With subspace, what IceFire mentioned is regarded as true from what Volition has stated. Artificial subspace jumps require exponentially amounts of energy to form when outside of a strong gravitational field, that's why you don't see ships making their own inter-system jumps.

Natural subspace nodes on the other hand are presumed to be formed by how mass configurations allow for regions where subspace jumps can be inter-system.

Knossos portals use some sort of principle to stabilize natural nodes, while the Shivans are such a mystery that they may not even need to obey the standard laws of subspace.

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Posted by Ace on 01-09-2003 11:59 PM:

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Posted by ns33 on 01-10-2003 12:33 AM:

Here, news articles:

[URL=http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/html/20030108T210000- 0500_37778_OBS_EINSTEIN_FINALLY_PROVEN_RIGHT_ON_GR
AVITY_SPEED.asp]jamaicaobserver.com[/URL]
[URL=http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2238452.stm]bbc.co.uk[/URL]
[URL=http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2002/09/13/gravity_speed020913]CBC Radio (CA)[/URL]

NASA is still reviewing this data and has not yet officially relased a statement, but the prospect that something else traveling as fast or faster than light is exhilerating!!

Posted by ns33 on 01-10-2003 12:33 AM:

Posted by Deathstorm on 01-13-2003 07:50 PM:

The best thing about subspace theory is that you can travel faster than the speed of light without travelling faster than the speed of light.

This is good for avoiding the odd 20,000 year journey that took you a couple of years.

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Posted by Deathstorm on 01-13-2003 07:50 PM:

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Posted by BananaOfTheNight on 01-14-2003 10:52 AM:

If you have space and subspace (which requires a large amount of energy to enter), then perhaps there is sub-subspace, which requires ridiculous amounts of energy to enter (Shivan quantites, perhaps). They may only use 'ordinary' subspace to conserve energy. Also, maybe jump nodes are Lagrange points - with gravity all around you, but the opposing fields cancel out, leaving you with no interference to your drives so that you can make a large jump (between systems) accurately.

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