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Posted by FSF Ashrak on 01-01-2003 09:53 PM:

*cough* THIRDSPACE *cough*

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Posted by Ashark on 01-01-2003 09:53 PM:

*cough* THIRDSPACE *cough*

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Posted by Sigma957 on 01-02-2003 02:19 AM:

Well thirdspace are in different dimension altogether and arn't firstones from this universe.

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Posted by Sigma957 on 01-02-2003 02:19 AM:

Well thirdspace are in different dimension altogether and arn't firstones from this universe.

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Posted by Kurare on 01-02-2003 01:34 PM:

And wasn't it that OUR First Ones (I mean the Vorlons here) were really scared of those coming fron another dimension? By opening the gate they released a monster they were powerless to stop so they damaged the gate thus closing the gateway but some separatists (those 'posessed' by the aliens from another dimension... They all were telepathic, right?) managed to hide the gate to hyperspace before it was destroyed.

Perhaps Sheridan (John) had found that the Vorlons and the Shadows were just telepathic cowards with a few nasty tech innovations; they were like our old people, useless, resource-consuming and annoying voices of the Truth . (Of course I don't really think this way of older people.)

Anyway, I got the feeling that the actual First Ones (those who came before the Vorlons and the Shadows) were all of the same people of which Lorien was the first. They all evolved according to their own taste, immortals as "test versions" created by the young universe. When the Next Ones (Vorlons, Shadows) came and started finally to argue about the ways of bringing up Younger Races the First ones were already tired of the universe, immeasurably old and proud in their wisdom. They decided not to take part in the gang battles of the Young so they retired to distant places to take a very long nap. Lorien was the only one mentioned by name in the show (in addition to Kosh, "We all are Kosh" ), the rest were more or less named after their holiday resort or appearence, such as the Walkers of Sigma957.

It would be really nice if Straczynski and the script writers had written a series of books about the world they had created and published it the same way with Tolkien... We'd all be much happier since the TV-series gives only a faint guess of what the world of Babylon 5 really consisted of in the minds of its creators.

I really should learn to be brief .

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Posted by Kurare on 01-02-2003 01:34 PM:

And wasn't it that OUR First Ones (I mean the Vorlons here) were really scared of those coming fron another dimension? By opening the gate they released a monster they were powerless to stop so they damaged the gate thus closing the gateway but some separatists (those 'posessed' by the aliens from another dimension... They all were telepathic, right?) managed to hide the gate to hyperspace before it was destroyed.

Perhaps Sheridan (John) had found that the Vorlons and the Shadows were just telepathic cowards with a few nasty tech innovations; they were like our old people, useless, resource-consuming and annoying voices of the Truth . (Of course I don't really think this way of older people.)

Anyway, I got the feeling that the actual First Ones (those who came before the Vorlons and the Shadows) were all of the same people of which Lorien was the first. They all evolved according to their own taste, immortals as "test versions" created by the young universe. When the Next Ones (Vorlons, Shadows) came and started finally to argue about the ways of bringing up Younger Races the First ones were already tired of the universe, immeasurably old and proud in their wisdom. They decided not to take part in the gang battles of the Young so they retired to distant places to take a very long nap. Lorien was the only one mentioned by name in the show (in addition to Kosh, "We all are Kosh" ), the rest were more or less named after their holiday resort or appearence, such as the Walkers of Sigma957.

It would be really nice if Straczynski and the script writers had written a series of books about the world they had created and published it the same way with Tolkien... We'd all be much happier since the TV-series gives only a faint guess of what the world of Babylon 5 really consisted of in the minds of its creators.

I really should learn to be brief .

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Posted by Edwin on 01-02-2003 04:34 PM:

What was that thing called that you could hardly see, stood about 10 or 12 feet tall, and sucked out your innards called?

You know, the one that was brought to B5 by that really old couple in their really old exploration ship?

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Posted by Edwin on 01-02-2003 04:34 PM:

What was that thing called that you could hardly see, stood about 10 or 12 feet tall, and sucked out your innards called?

You know, the one that was brought to B5 by that really old couple in their really old exploration ship?

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Posted by -Norbert- on 01-02-2003 08:18 PM:

I think that one onboard the copernicus was just a minion race.
It looked different from the Shadows seen on Za'ha'dum.

And the Firstones are different races! When the Whitstar found the last of them, Lorien said, that this race is nearly as old as the Vorlons.

But I agree, that the Vorlons, Shadows (and the one mentioned above) are so to say the "Middle Ones" and we are the latest ones .

Posted by -Norbert- on 01-02-2003 08:18 PM:

I think that one onboard the copernicus was just a minion race.
It looked different from the Shadows seen on Za'ha'dum.

And the Firstones are different races! When the Whitstar found the last of them, Lorien said, that this race is nearly as old as the Vorlons.

But I agree, that the Vorlons, Shadows (and the one mentioned above) are so to say the "Middle Ones" and we are the latest ones .

Posted by Prophet on 01-02-2003 08:41 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by -Norbert-
I think that one onboard the copernicus was just a minion race.
It looked different from the Shadows seen on Za'ha'dum.

Are you a copy of your neighbour? I am not (thank god). Besides, if two transparent black spikey spider like things are running around you, how well can you what they look?

Posted by Prophet on 01-02-2003 08:41 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by -Norbert-
I think that one onboard the copernicus was just a minion race.
It looked different from the Shadows seen on Za'ha'dum.

Are you a copy of your neighbour? I am not (thank god). Besides, if two transparent black spikey spider like things are running around you, how well can you what they look?

Posted by FlakBait on 01-02-2003 10:48 PM:

It was most likely a different species.
1) Sheridan killed, or at least wounded Shadows with his PPG on Zha'Dum, this thing took a lot more firepower to kill.
2) The shadows very seldom fight thier own battles, even when not using intermediaries, they are not likely to place themselves in danger.
3) This thing was there for over a thousand years, if it was an honest-to-goodness Shadow, I think they would have picked it up. You don't leave a firstone behind, that's why you have cannon fodder.

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Posted by FlakBait on 01-02-2003 10:48 PM:

It was most likely a different species.
1) Sheridan killed, or at least wounded Shadows with his PPG on Zha'Dum, this thing took a lot more firepower to kill.
2) The shadows very seldom fight thier own battles, even when not using intermediaries, they are not likely to place themselves in danger.
3) This thing was there for over a thousand years, if it was an honest-to-goodness Shadow, I think they would have picked it up. You don't leave a firstone behind, that's why you have cannon fodder.

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Posted by Sigma957 on 01-03-2003 08:06 AM:

That thing that use to live on the in'ards of others was just a slave/servant of the shadows a warroir class,could be genetically engineered and as far as what order they came in, its like this- Lorien,triad,shadows,walkers,vorlons,torvalus,mind
riders and kirishiac.The Kirishiac were the last beings to develop hyperspace technology by themselves and were the last race that could not be manipulated by the other "firstones",any race coming after these could be manipulated into thinking that the firstones were "gods" or controlled in other dubious ways.

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Posted by Sigma957 on 01-03-2003 08:06 AM:

That thing that use to live on the in'ards of others was just a slave/servant of the shadows a warroir class,could be genetically engineered and as far as what order they came in, its like this- Lorien,triad,shadows,walkers,vorlons,torvalus,mind
riders and kirishiac.The Kirishiac were the last beings to develop hyperspace technology by themselves and were the last race that could not be manipulated by the other "firstones",any race coming after these could be manipulated into thinking that the firstones were "gods" or controlled in other dubious ways.

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Posted by Grey Area on 01-03-2003 11:05 AM:

Whee! Now you really are scaring me...

quote:
Originally posted by Sigma957
That thing that use to live on the in'ards of others was just a slave/servant of the shadows a warroir class,could be genetically engineered and as far as what order they came in, its like this- Lorien,triad,shadows,walkers,vorlons,torvalus,mind
riders and kirishiac.The Kirishiac were the last beings to develop hyperspace technology by themselves and were the last race that could not be manipulated by the other "firstones",any race coming after these could be manipulated into thinking that the firstones were "gods" or controlled in other dubious ways.


Sigma, I unmask you - you're JMS in a false nose and beard!

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Posted by Grey Area on 01-03-2003 11:05 AM:

Whee! Now you really are scaring me...

quote:
Originally posted by Sigma957
That thing that use to live on the in'ards of others was just a slave/servant of the shadows a warroir class,could be genetically engineered and as far as what order they came in, its like this- Lorien,triad,shadows,walkers,vorlons,torvalus,mind
riders and kirishiac.The Kirishiac were the last beings to develop hyperspace technology by themselves and were the last race that could not be manipulated by the other "firstones",any race coming after these could be manipulated into thinking that the firstones were "gods" or controlled in other dubious ways.


Sigma, I unmask you - you're JMS in a false nose and beard!

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Posted by Grey Area on 01-03-2003 11:09 AM:

Whee! Now you really are scaring me...

quote:
Originally posted by Sigma957
That thing that use to live on the in'ards of others was just a slave/servant of the shadows a warroir class,could be genetically engineered and as far as what order they came in, its like this- Lorien,triad,shadows,walkers,vorlons,torvalus,mind
riders and kirishiac.The Kirishiac were the last beings to develop hyperspace technology by themselves and were the last race that could not be manipulated by the other "firstones",any race coming after these could be manipulated into thinking that the firstones were "gods" or controlled in other dubious ways.


Sigma, I unmask you - you're JMS in a false nose and beard!

OK, I know which ship belongs to the Walkers, but of the others (The wooden looking one, the dark thing that uses a weapon that behaves like a green wind-screen wiper of death and the thing which fires a single MASSIVE beam weapon from its nose), which is which?

Are any of these scheduled for release 3?

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Posted by Grey Area on 01-03-2003 11:09 AM:

Whee! Now you really are scaring me...

quote:
Originally posted by Sigma957
That thing that use to live on the in'ards of others was just a slave/servant of the shadows a warroir class,could be genetically engineered and as far as what order they came in, its like this- Lorien,triad,shadows,walkers,vorlons,torvalus,mind
riders and kirishiac.The Kirishiac were the last beings to develop hyperspace technology by themselves and were the last race that could not be manipulated by the other "firstones",any race coming after these could be manipulated into thinking that the firstones were "gods" or controlled in other dubious ways.


Sigma, I unmask you - you're JMS in a false nose and beard!

OK, I know which ship belongs to the Walkers, but of the others (The wooden looking one, the dark thing that uses a weapon that behaves like a green wind-screen wiper of death and the thing which fires a single MASSIVE beam weapon from its nose), which is which?

Are any of these scheduled for release 3?

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