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What about the Death Star? A perfect sphere, with turrets everywhere (and a free shield generator with Mark II if you order NOW!!). That is the perfect defensive model (if they would only put a grille over the f@#$ing exhaust port). It also only needs 1 shot from its main gun to slay any cap ship and has enough fighters to cover a major landmass.

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What about the Death Star? A perfect sphere, with turrets everywhere (and a free shield generator with Mark II if you order NOW!!). That is the perfect defensive model (if they would only put a grille over the f@#$ing exhaust port). It also only needs 1 shot from its main gun to slay any cap ship and has enough fighters to cover a major landmass.

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Why dont the Shivans have one?

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I think the best ships in FS 2 are the Deimos and the Sobek, the Sobek has better offensive capabilities than the Deimos, but the Deimos has better Anti Fighter Defenses. But there are some ships in FS 2 like the Mentu that have really worse firing arcs and have NO (!) Anti Cap Ship beams. It seems like Volition just forgot the give some ships a good weapons loadout. For example: The Orion (should have Anti Fighter Beams instead of slasher beams), the Hecate (the slasher beams are trash, a ship of that size should have bgreens on all beam turrets), the Moloch (no match for a Deimos or a Sobek because there are no medium sized shivan beams in the game), the Lilith (should have a medium sized beam canon, or two sred's), the Colossus (should have a BFRGreen on each beam turret), the Aten (should have a svas on the downside and a flak turret on the topside).

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I think the best ships in FS 2 are the Deimos and the Sobek, the Sobek has better offensive capabilities than the Deimos, but the Deimos has better Anti Fighter Defenses. But there are some ships in FS 2 like the Mentu that have really worse firing arcs and have NO (!) Anti Cap Ship beams. It seems like Volition just forgot the give some ships a good weapons loadout. For example: The Orion (should have Anti Fighter Beams instead of slasher beams), the Hecate (the slasher beams are trash, a ship of that size should have bgreens on all beam turrets), the Moloch (no match for a Deimos or a Sobek because there are no medium sized shivan beams in the game), the Lilith (should have a medium sized beam canon, or two sred's), the Colossus (should have a BFRGreen on each beam turret), the Aten (should have a svas on the downside and a flak turret on the topside).

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Are you kidding? The Lilith is an overkill for a cruiser anyway! It definitely does NOT need more anti-cap firepower. It's not a corvette!

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Are you kidding? The Lilith is an overkill for a cruiser anyway! It definitely does NOT need more anti-cap firepower. It's not a corvette!

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I said it needs less firepower, it has an Lred, the same beamcanon used on the Ravana or the Demon. So a medium sized beam canon or two small would be better. Maybe the Leviathan should have a medium sized beam canon, too. The TerSlash for example.

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Mentus each have an anti capitalship beam cannon between the engines

Hecates are not ment to be uberdestroyers, replacing all its slashers with Bgreens means too much firepower, it already has one on its hammer-looking head. Hecates are very well rounded vessels, capable of defending themselves from corvettes and down; they're not very good offensive weapons.

Orions already have several AAAf turrets, replacing its slashers with aaaf would mean making nearly useless against anything larger than a fighter, reducing its role from serious flanking/blockade weapon to sluggish fighter hauler without enough punch to get past a Cain.

Giving the Colossus that many BFGreens is by far overkill, how much fun would FS2 be if everytime you saw the colossus all objects within five kilometers were instantly incinerated? Its not supposed to take on Sathani for a living. Keep that in mind

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Mentus each have an anti capitalship beam cannon between the engines

Hecates are not ment to be uberdestroyers, replacing all its slashers with Bgreens means too much firepower, it already has one on its hammer-looking head. Hecates are very well rounded vessels, capable of defending themselves from corvettes and down; they're not very good offensive weapons.

Orions already have several AAAf turrets, replacing its slashers with aaaf would mean making nearly useless against anything larger than a fighter, reducing its role from serious flanking/blockade weapon to sluggish fighter hauler without enough punch to get past a Cain.

Giving the Colossus that many BFGreens is by far overkill, how much fun would FS2 be if everytime you saw the colossus all objects within five kilometers were instantly incinerated? Its not supposed to take on Sathani for a living. Keep that in mind

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Originally posted by ltnarol
Mentus each have an anti capitalship beam cannon between the engines

Hecates are not ment to be uberdestroyers, replacing all its slashers with Bgreens means too much firepower, it already has one on its hammer-looking head. Hecates are very well rounded vessels, capable of defending themselves from corvettes and down; they're not very good offensive weapons.

Orions already have several AAAf turrets, replacing its slashers with aaaf would mean making nearly useless against anything larger than a fighter, reducing its role from serious flanking/blockade weapon to sluggish fighter hauler without enough punch to get past a Cain.

Giving the Colossus that many BFGreens is by far overkill, how much fun would FS2 be if everytime you saw the colossus all objects within five kilometers were instantly incinerated? Its not supposed to take on Sathani for a living. Keep that in mind

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Originally posted by ltnarol
Mentus each have an anti capitalship beam cannon between the engines

Hecates are not ment to be uberdestroyers, replacing all its slashers with Bgreens means too much firepower, it already has one on its hammer-looking head. Hecates are very well rounded vessels, capable of defending themselves from corvettes and down; they're not very good offensive weapons.

Orions already have several AAAf turrets, replacing its slashers with aaaf would mean making nearly useless against anything larger than a fighter, reducing its role from serious flanking/blockade weapon to sluggish fighter hauler without enough punch to get past a Cain.

Giving the Colossus that many BFGreens is by far overkill, how much fun would FS2 be if everytime you saw the colossus all objects within five kilometers were instantly incinerated? Its not supposed to take on Sathani for a living. Keep that in mind

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Originally posted by Echelon IV


Didn't know that the Mentu has even one beam
It should have two svas on the downside turrets.

The Hecate has less firepower than a Sobek corvette, and is barely a match for a Moloch Corvette. A Demon Destroyer would kill it easily. The ship was build 30 Years after the Orion and has much lesser firepower ? The Hatshepsut has also much more Firepower than the Typhon, and the Ravana more than the Demon, so it would logical that the newer terran destroyer generation is better armed.
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The Colossus has not much more firepower than two Orions, it has only more hitpoints. And with 12 BFRGreens it is still losing against Sathanas with only one beam remaining.

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Originally posted by Echelon IV


Didn't know that the Mentu has even one beam
It should have two svas on the downside turrets.

The Hecate has less firepower than a Sobek corvette, and is barely a match for a Moloch Corvette. A Demon Destroyer would kill it easily. The ship was build 30 Years after the Orion and has much lesser firepower ? The Hatshepsut has also much more Firepower than the Typhon, and the Ravana more than the Demon, so it would logical that the newer terran destroyer generation is better armed.
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The Colossus has not much more firepower than two Orions, it has only more hitpoints. And with 12 BFRGreens it is still losing against Sathanas with only one beam remaining.

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I've just played arround a bit with the weapons.tbl and put all Slaherbeams on typ 0 (slasherbeams are type 1, beams like the bgreen, bvas, lred etc. are type 0 beams). You know the mission with Actium and the Lysander where you have to destroy the two shivan cruisers and then the Ravana appears ? Well, the Corvettes needed half the time to destroy the cruisers with type 0 TerSlash's and brought the Ravana down to 72% until the mission was over. I think a Hecate with two bgreens on the frontside and 3 straight firing TerSlash's would be a very good destroyer. The main weakness of the Terrans is that their beamweapons have a very long reload time compared with the shivan beams (even compared with the Vasudan beams). The TerSlash fires every 15 seconds but does little damage because it hits the enemy ship only for a short time. But a TerSlash firing straight on its target does the full damage.

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I've just played arround a bit with the weapons.tbl and put all Slaherbeams on typ 0 (slasherbeams are type 1, beams like the bgreen, bvas, lred etc. are type 0 beams). You know the mission with Actium and the Lysander where you have to destroy the two shivan cruisers and then the Ravana appears ? Well, the Corvettes needed half the time to destroy the cruisers with type 0 TerSlash's and brought the Ravana down to 72% until the mission was over. I think a Hecate with two bgreens on the frontside and 3 straight firing TerSlash's would be a very good destroyer. The main weakness of the Terrans is that their beamweapons have a very long reload time compared with the shivan beams (even compared with the Vasudan beams). The TerSlash fires every 15 seconds but does little damage because it hits the enemy ship only for a short time. But a TerSlash firing straight on its target does the full damage.

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The Hecate can beat the Orion in terms of anti-fighter defenses a little bit. Still, I don't care if they'd gave it fifteen BFGreens. It's still an @$$ ugly ship.

The Hecate can beat the Orion in terms of anti-fighter defenses a little bit. Still, I don't care if they'd gave it fifteen BFGreens. It's still an @$$ ugly ship.

The Sobek is still the best looking Capship in FS 2, the Hathepsut looks like a vacuum cleaner and the Colossus looks like a huge rifle

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The Sobek looks like a woman's shoe. And the Deimos is a brick, the Hecate is a flying factory, the Typhon looks like a squashed bug... the only truly beautiful ship is the Orion.

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