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Posted by IceFire on 06-06-2002 10:31 PM:

Only if one of the side turrets is armed with a beam weapon and I suspect that those turrets don't have the same level of power routing that the main guns would have (fore or aft) so I'm willing to bet those are short range and low damage.

In an engagement, I'd always give it to the Omega VS the Primus...but not in raw firepower. The Omega is much better suited for the engagement because of its fighters. Babylon 5's Aurora StarFury's did some serious damage to a Primus in Fall of Night and I think Thunderbolts can probably do significantly more. Leaving the Omega to punch through the hull, breach the reactor and blow it to bits.

Its impossible to really say for certain of course and if there was no fighters and both ships were lined up shooting at each other...the Primus would rip the Omega to shreds in very short order.

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Posted by FlakBait on 06-07-2002 03:21 AM:

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Originally posted by FSF Ashrak
easy triggy they arnt gonna do interceptors because those where seen well in one battle only severed dreams

and i got a pure A on my english exam this is great

Voice in the Wilderness, Fall of Night, and I'm sure at least one other time at which outgoing and incoming fire intersected.

Question: Would interceptors stop beams as well as bolts?

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Posted by FlakBait on 06-07-2002 03:21 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by FSF Ashrak
easy triggy they arnt gonna do interceptors because those where seen well in one battle only severed dreams

and i got a pure A on my english exam this is great

Voice in the Wilderness, Fall of Night, and I'm sure at least one other time at which outgoing and incoming fire intersected.

Question: Would interceptors stop beams as well as bolts?

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Posted by Krytor on 06-07-2002 03:34 AM:

I think the interceptors would not stop the beam. Bolts or Pulses are kinda like a water balloon. You can throw a rock or something at it to make it pop, or in the case of B5, disepate(sp?). Now apply the same thinking to say a fire hose? Throwing a rock may hinder the stream or beam in this case for a fraction of a second maybe, but due to the pushing force coming from the originating source (the beam turrent/cannon/firehose etc) it will continue on target and hit.
At least that is how I imagine it would work out :-)

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Posted by Mr. Fury on 06-07-2002 05:14 AM:

Yes, an Omega carries more Auroras or Thunderbolts than Primus carries Sentries. And fighters can do serious damage to a capital ship.

Omega's side turrets (also called phalanx pods) can fire both pulses and beams, but logically thinking phalanx beams cannot be as powerful as main beams. More like Sharlins anti-fighter beams, but even less powerful as EA does not have as advanced beam technology.

Heh, the Centauri got the best pulse weapon technologies and the Minbari the best beam weapons technologies of the younger races.

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Posted by Mr. Fury on 06-07-2002 05:14 AM:

Posted by Teral on 06-07-2002 11:02 AM:

Objection!!!

I do not agree that phalanax cannons can fire with beams on a standard Omega, they only could(as I remember) on a Omega-X

By the way how about such a duel: Shadow battlecrab vs Omega G'quan and 2 Primus?
I think young races would get their butts burning and flying all the way to the outer RIM

Posted by Teral on 06-07-2002 11:02 AM:

Objection!!!

Posted by FSF Ashrak on 06-07-2002 11:37 AM:

not really when the shadows strike they do it by surprise if they get the first shot then yes everyone ealse is dead but if others get first (beam) shot and hit see ya shadows...

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Posted by Ashark on 06-07-2002 11:37 AM:

not really when the shadows strike they do it by surprise if they get the first shot then yes everyone ealse is dead but if others get first (beam) shot and hit see ya shadows...

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Posted by Mr. Fury on 06-07-2002 01:16 PM:

Re: Objection!!!

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Originally posted by Teral
I do not agree that phalanax cannons can fire with beams on a standard Omega, they only could(as I remember) on a Omega-X

Yes they can. At least one B5 episode proves this, as well as A Call to Arms movie.

And if there is only one battlecrab, it may lose against four ships. Even G'Quan's main cannons cannot penetrate battlecrab's armor, two cap ships is required to destroy single 'crab.

So, if this 'crab does not make an surprise assault, it may very well lose.

Posted by Mr. Fury on 06-07-2002 01:16 PM:

Re: Objection!!!

quote:
Originally posted by Teral
I do not agree that phalanax cannons can fire with beams on a standard Omega, they only could(as I remember) on a Omega-X

Posted by Triggy on 06-07-2002 01:41 PM:

The phalanx pods fire orange beams in "Messages From Earth" from the Agamemnon at the White Star in Jupiter's atmosphere just before they jump out. It is likely to be standard armament but used only against larger vessels, with their main role being in pulse mode against fighters.

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Posted by Triggy on 06-07-2002 01:41 PM:

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Posted by Mr. Fury on 06-07-2002 03:30 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Triggy
The phalanx pods fire orange beams in "Messages From Earth" from the Agamemnon at the White Star in Jupiter's atmosphere just before they jump out. It is likely to be standard armament but used only against larger vessels, with their main role being in pulse mode against fighters.

I suppose it's most logical conclusion. Howewer, their power is surely far from the main beams. Also, in A Call to Arms, Omegas are targeting Drakh Raiders, which are indeed larger than fighters.

There is howewer theories that there's actually two versions of Drakh Raider, smaller fighter and larger gunship, this is what we are going to use in TBP later.

Posted by Mr. Fury on 06-07-2002 03:30 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Triggy
The phalanx pods fire orange beams in "Messages From Earth" from the Agamemnon at the White Star in Jupiter's atmosphere just before they jump out. It is likely to be standard armament but used only against larger vessels, with their main role being in pulse mode against fighters.

Posted by pera on 06-07-2002 05:41 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Fury
There is howewer theories that there's actually two versions of Drakh Raider, smaller fighter and larger gunship, this is what we are going to use in TBP later.

One scene in ACTA shows a Drakh raider which is only just about the size of the top turret of an Olympus, but sometimes they look like almost the size of a Whitestar, so this is probably the case.

Posted by pera on 06-07-2002 05:41 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Fury
There is howewer theories that there's actually two versions of Drakh Raider, smaller fighter and larger gunship, this is what we are going to use in TBP later.

One scene in ACTA shows a Drakh raider which is only just about the size of the top turret of an Olympus, but sometimes they look like almost the size of a Whitestar, so this is probably the case.

Posted by BabProj Team on 06-08-2002 03:20 AM:

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One scene in ACTA shows a Drakh raider which is only just about the size of the top turret of an Olympus, but sometimes they look like almost the size of a Whitestar, so this is probably the case.

Which is justification enough for us to do two versions. Makes balance alot easier too.

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