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Posted by Kazan on 12-30-2001 12:28 AM:

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Originally posted by Alphakiller
cry cry cry. You can't pirate your OS like you're used to; it's never been enforced, and now the fine print is being enforced.

no it's that they use that system to track what you are doing - you're every move and purchase

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Posted by Zeronet on 12-30-2001 02:09 AM:

Xp is great, it use's all the RAM on your computer, looks good as well, like Icefire said, its stable etc.

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Posted by Triggy on 12-30-2001 02:53 AM:

From what little actual usage of XP I have, plus my research on it I think that it looks to be a good step in the right direction for Microsoft (though they are by no means there yet).

As for the anti-piracy protection, I support this as a paying user of most of the software that I use. If anything, if the anti-piracy procedures work, software prices will drop due to there being more paying customers for the product. This in my opinion is a good thing, others may disagree, not liking the lack of free software.

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Posted by JC Denton on 12-30-2001 03:19 AM:

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cry cry cry. You can't pirate your OS like you're used to; it's never been enforced, and now the fine print is being enforced.

Alpha, I find that remark very insulting. Labeling me as a software pirate is not the best way to get on my good side. Further, I am of the opinion that if I purchase a new OS, I am not restricted to installing it on only one machine, and if I own multiple machines then I should be allowed to install the new OS onto them if I see fit. Piracy is copying off the CD and sending it to your friends, or making dupes and selling them. As long as the computers I install the OS to never leave my ownership, it shouldn't be considered piracy. And even if the EULA prohibits doing this, who actually reads the license agreements anyways?? Not all that many.

Now, before this thread devolves into a massive flame war over what is and isn't software pirating, let's get back to the matter at hand: trying to help Mewgen solve his problem.

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Posted by IceFire on 12-30-2001 03:55 AM:

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no it's that they use that system to track what you are doing - you're every move and purchase

Yes im sure they are just doing that now....and not before....pfft...if anyone wanted to trace your whereabouts and your purchases, the credit card companies can do it in a second. I mean, thats the whole idea.

Whatever.

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Posted by dredhawk on 12-30-2001 08:33 PM:

OK ill come up there weres its about 8 degrees and take a long walk off of a very , very short pier.

sounds good to me heheheh

Well anyways im Sure XP good i just dont wont to spend the money at the moment to get it.

My parents have 6 computer in there office. and they all have differnt OS systems. My dads got a P75 that really old that proble could not handly XP its got Win 95. the rest ether have Win 98 or Win Me. then only reson they have those is becues thats what came with the computer when they got them

Im sure with in a Year they will have Win Xp 2003 hehehe and ever one will go off and buy that becues its new.

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Posted by Alphakiller on 12-31-2001 07:37 AM:

Kazan: No site I've visited has said this - care to provide a bit of linkage to back that claim up? (Oh yeah ... privacy doesn't really exist in the online world anyway...I fail to see how this is anything new.)

JC: Well ... let's be honest, then. I don't care about being on your good side - because I never tried to be, nor did I try to be on your bad side. So don't take this as a personal attack, because this isn't and that previous post wasn't. Second, your opinion that you should be able to copy your OS onto all your computers is just that - opinion. Legally, you've never been allowed to do that, so in effect you have been a software pirate. However, a harmful one? No. So I do understand your frustration; you've been doing something and by extension assumed you could do so legally. Whoops! Microsoft says 'nope' and in this case, they hold all the cards.

Your definition of pirating is also wrong ... let me explain. The Fair Use Act allows for a user to make a single copy - on any media they see fit, from what I understand - for backup purposes only. Hence, if I make a CD-R copy of, say, my new CD and leave my original at home and take the CD-R with me (hey, wouldn't want it getting stolen now) that IS legal. I'm only using one copy and the other (in this case the original) is being used as a backup.
Copying an OS onto two computers - both of which are in active use - is NOT a backup copy and therefore IS piracy.
Whether it should be that way or shouldn't be that way is completly immaterial - I'm arguing what is.
Oh and you don't read EULAs? Too bad since you agree to them by clicking OK whether you read 'em or not. So that point's kinda dead too.

Next time, please argue with a little more fact and a little less opinion. I have nothing against you personally, nor is this a flame-war just because I disagree.

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Posted by KillMeNow on 12-31-2001 03:35 PM:

in xp microsoft knows if the software your running on it is less than legal????? surely though if you install a good firewalleven windows will need to ask permission to send info out?

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Posted by Mr. Fury on 12-31-2001 03:38 PM:

*sigh*

Windows can't send any info out to M$ without asking user to do so.
Microsoft would be in bad **** if it does that.

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Posted by KillMeNow on 01-01-2002 01:52 AM:

absolutly sure?

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Posted by Alphakiller on 01-01-2002 03:03 AM:

I believe someone did a test with a data-transfer check program proving that MS wasn't actually lying when they said what data got sent to MS HQ ... an encrypted hash to register, nothing more or less.
Can't prove it off-hand though ... but I'll try to dig up the info.

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Posted by Mewgen1 on 01-01-2002 03:32 AM:

Just so you know I have fixed the CD-R problems. The only thing that doesn't work is the DVD which is probablly to old to begin with.

Just so you know whenever you get around to actually GIVING ME THE HELP THAT I THINK I ASKED FOR!

Of course its entirely your perogitive.

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Posted by Slasher on 01-01-2002 05:16 AM:

It's an internet bulletin board. Things have a way of going off track.

Posted by Alphakiller on 01-01-2002 05:18 AM:

Especially when nobody here really knows how to fix it for you. Besides, my first reply was on-topic

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Posted by Mewgen1 on 01-01-2002 07:25 AM:

Alright, alright. Before anyone goes and gets mad about my last post I would like to thank everyone who did post something about my problem and as far as the debate goes, well I like a good debate as much as the next person but if you dont know abou tmy problem just say so befroe going off on a rant, PLEASE.

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