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-- Review in Pelit (https://volitionwatch.game-warden.com/vwbb/showthread.php?threadid=4667)

Posted by pera on 11-19-2001 05:55 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Lark

WHAT!?

You got my answer about half an hour ago already!

Now where's the damn (p)review?

Seriously, I think I made quite clear that the physics model being what it is, is not the Team's fault. Nor can anyone judge mission scripting, let alone campaign scripting and storytelling from a demo.

I did disagree on one point, though. I guess you guys will see it soon, and then we can have a nice flamewar.

-lark-

You mean the stealth?

Posted by Warlord on 11-19-2001 06:00 PM:

Lark:
I have something called real life like being in school. I have to do two essays in example.

Ja tarkoitatko kenties sitÃ¤ hÃ¤iveteknologian puutetta. Piru teidÃ¤n harkkoremiesten kanssa. No ei, kyllÃ¤ mÃ¤kin I-War2 oon pelannu lÃ¤pi.

All:
As you see I get permission but it can take day or two because that damn "real life".

Posted by Lark on 11-19-2001 06:01 PM:

And oh, FYI: 10+ as a school grade means A+

It's not a score or anything, just a figure of speech. Our scoring goes from 1-100 (or as some would say, from 60-100 because nobody bothers to review trash worth less than 60 ;-)

-lark-

Posted by Warlord on 11-19-2001 06:04 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by pera

You mean the stealth?

Damn pera, you were faster.

Posted by Lark on 11-19-2001 06:08 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Warlord
Lark:
I have something called real life like being in school. I have to do two essays in example.

Ja tarkoitatko kenties sitÃ¤ hÃ¤iveteknologian puutetta. Piru teidÃ¤n harkkoremiesten kanssa. No ei, kyllÃ¤ mÃ¤kin I-War2 oon pelannu lÃ¤pi.

Couldn't you submit the translation as an English essay?

Yeah, yeah, take it easy.

Yes, I was nitpicking about the absence of Minbari stealth technology. But as we already discussed, Freespace 2 engine doesn't support stealth tech properly. So the complaint was uncalled for.

Still gonna try those totally radar invisible Nials (although that's hardly "realistic") just for the hell of it.

-lark-

Posted by Warlord on 11-19-2001 06:14 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Lark

Couldn't you submit the translation as an English essay?

-lark-

We have to choose essay topics from our book. But essay is lot of easier to do because it's only few hundred words. Your review is about 750. Then there is also that damn swedish essay

Posted by Alphakiller on 11-19-2001 09:00 PM:

True, Minbari stealth is absent; then again, it's hard enough fighting Nials in an Aurora even when you can target them ... I don't know, but I imagine TBP chose to allow them to be targeted for gameplay's sake...Ice would know.

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Posted by Warlord on 11-19-2001 09:54 PM:

I think it's for gameplay. Buda tested it when they were making Earth-Minbari war but it was too difficult.

Posted by Edwin on 11-20-2001 12:13 AM:

why do topics always get off-track so fast?

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Posted by Alphakiller on 11-20-2001 01:50 AM:

Because people post replies with no relevant content in them?
C'mon, you should know that.

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Posted by Lark on 11-20-2001 12:59 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Warlord
I think it's for gameplay. Buda tested it when they were making Earth-Minbari war but it was too difficult.

Yup, Buda guys stated so when I was reviewing their EMW campaign. I'd still want to try it out. As with Freespace 2 engine, the I-War engine did not support any stealth characteristics to speak of.

I don't mean totally radar invisible Minbaris. What I would see as "realistic" would be a delayed or nonexistent lock-on, severely limited radar range detecting Minbari at all, and perhaps a "scrambled" radar signature until up close (dogfight distance).

But I heard this is not feasible without tampering with the source code, so I guess there's nothing you can do about it. Just like Buda :-( I am sorry for complaining about it before I knew that it is not possible to mod.

Anyway, I'm in bronchitis right now, and the guy (sorry I tend to forget names in 39 centigrade fever) wanted (or offered) me to check the translation before posting sometime later today. I'll do that if I can get up... off to sleep now.

-lark-

Posted by pera on 11-20-2001 02:10 PM:

Hey, would it be possible to make a nebula that is not a nebula? I mean that it would look absolutely normal, no clouds anywhere, but you could limit the radar range. Would that be possible?

Posted by Starkiller on 11-20-2001 02:21 PM:

I don't think that is possible, and if it is possible, I think it wouldn't look nice...

Posted by pera on 11-20-2001 02:48 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Starkiller
I don't think that is possible, and if it is possible, I think it wouldn't look nice...

What do you mean it wouldn't look nice? Don't you think normal space looks nice?

What I meant was, that if it would be possible to make a nebula, that looks absolutely the same as normal space. Then you could simply put that in a mission, and limit radar range.

Posted by IceFire on 11-20-2001 02:57 PM:

quote:
True, Minbari stealth is absent; then again, it's hard enough fighting Nials in an Aurora even when you can target them ... I don't know, but I imagine TBP chose to allow them to be targeted for gameplay's sake...Ice would know.

I should read these forums more often. Yes, there was no stealth on the Minbari, mostly for gameplay sake.

We could do a "invisible" tag which has the shifty radar signature but to do it on every single Minbari fighter that shows up and make sure that it doesn't break itself would be pretty much murder. Its not really what everyone was looking for anyways.

With the demo missions, they were designed mostly so that the Nials had an abundance of targets and they weren't chasing after you and your wingmen all the time. If we had balanced the missions differently, you could probably kiss your StarFury goodbye because they would outmanuver and destroy you.

We thought it was hard enough

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Posted by Warlord on 11-20-2001 04:48 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Lark
Anyway, I'm in bronchitis right now, and the guy (sorry I tend to forget names in 39 centigrade fever) wanted (or offered) me to check the translation before posting sometime later today. I'll do that if I can get up... off to sleep now.

-lark-

Fine, now he's sleeping. Someone have to wake him if you want your review.

Posted by Prophet on 11-20-2001 04:56 PM:

Would the 'awacs-set-radius' event work?

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Posted by Warlord on 11-20-2001 06:29 PM:

Review is ready. So now I only need a place to put the file.

Posted by Warlord on 11-20-2001 07:14 PM:

So, file is online. You can get it from here:

geocities.com/juhah84/TBP_Review.doc

I come back in few hours to see comments if there's any.

EDIT: Use right click- save file. geocities won't show file otherwise.

Posted by IceFire on 11-20-2001 07:44 PM:

Great translation, I enjoyed the read. A fair review!

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