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Pretty fragging easy to crew that many ships if 1/3 of your population is dedicated to warfare

Sharlin kicks azz.. remember how many forward facing cannons it has..

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Okay... here it is in a nutshell. The Minbari were, and still are, about a 1000 years ahead of the humans. A Warlock particle beam is only about as powerful as a Minbari fusion beam, and the Sharlin has 12 of those suckas. The Warlock only has advanced tech (Shadow) in it's computers, and Minbari tech in it's gravity system, the rest is more or less standard Earth Force tech. There's no way a Warlock can take on a Sharlin.

Also, even if the Sharlin was only equal to the Warlock, the Nial is still lightyears ahead of any other younger race fighter. The Aurora starfury was absolutely no match for it, and the Thunderbolt isn't actually any better in space.

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Allright! We have a competition in our hands, we shall see that clash of titans when ItF is out.

Don't forget that Minbari population is decreasing, not increasing. The crew of the Warlock is in the thousands, while Sharlin is in the hundreds. Earth Force has a tendency to pump out lots of ships in a very short amount of time--in the 10 years from the EA-Minbari War to the beginning of B5, they went from no fleet to a giant one again. Give them another 10 years with new tech, and who knows where'd they be. Just look at ACtA. That was a mere portion of their ships; all they could scramble.

One thing that hasn't come out here and is relevent because we are talking about another Ea/Minbari war is Earths black projects and this would have come out in later episodes of Crusade.Anyone for shadow hybrids that can destroy an Omega class destroyer in one shot?Shadow bio-armoured thunderbolt and furies and if there was no civil war all warlocks would have shadow bio-armour and weaponary so perhaps the Minbari would not find it so easy this time

True. They DO have black projects. I can't remember about the Shadow hybrid vessels, but I doubt that EF has very many of them. Even if they do, using the ship is like a political suicide, in the sense that other races are less than fond of the Shadows

And never forget there were rumours that the Minbari were on the verge of discovering bio-armour for their ships

Yeah. and the whitestar has bio-armour. So why not in ewery Minbari ship?
BTW, who built all those whitestars? Vorlons? Minbari? Ancients? Shivans?

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Ya have to figure in tactics as well. Earth has a much better idea on minbari tactics and this makes a huge difference in warfare.

Thunderbolts and starfury's aint that far behind a nial neither. They have better manoeuvrability. Sharlins are more advanced than omega's but not more than a warlock, shadow tech beats minbari tech.

Another factor is the manufacturing capabilty of both races and motivation for the war.

White stars were built by ISA during the shadow wars (more have bean built since) but as for the shadow skined EA ships, is anyone including them in this mod? they are sweet looking craft !! also is the shadow planet killer being built (as seen in "A Call to Arms")?
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ISA WhiteStar 88: Command, we have a problem. A shadow vessel designated SD Lucifer has jumped in. Sheild readings are off the charts...

The whitestars were originally built by the Minbari religious caste with Vorlon help with both bio-armor, computer, and repair systems. After the Shadow War their production came under the control of the ISA. As for the EA/Shadow Hybrids, the only time we see one is when Gideon's Omega is toasted. We don't know if the Shadows took it when they left or if it was destroyed during one of the engagements. In fact, it may have never been a hybrid at all--maybe just a black Shadow project.

That hybrid ship is built by EA...and there is many of them.

It's a fact, that reads on the scripts of three unfilmed Crusade episodes.

The Minbari built the Whitestar bio-armour, with a lot of Vorlon help. The Minbari couldn't make their own, they could only grow Whitestar-type bio armour (or so I think )

But after a lot of studying, combined with their own technology, I'd say the Minbari could build their own sort of bio-armour.

Ummm....the hyrbid ship is an Omega-X. What Shadow technology on it.

That ship that destroyed Gideons destroyer...that looked like a Shadow vessel. But not of a configuration we've seen before.

If someone can get a shot...hook us up with it...it will be made.

Sorry that's all I found, perhaps someone else can find more pics from Shadow Hybrid.

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the Minbari and ISA can grow the vorlon bio armor, and can study it. With the way we humans assimilate technologies [look at your past, we are very adaptive and steal our enemies technology and reverse engineer it] we woulc be able to figure out how to make bio-armor, and start designing new bio armor. Also with the combination of Minbari technology and Terran enginuity the two combined would be almost unstopable

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I my opinion it is obvious that the human race could never understand and replicate tecnology from races that were in space for thousands and even milions of years.
The omegas-x and warloks are mere rushed improvisations due the urgency of preparation to a massive war. The scientists could never understand fully a tecnlogy that took other races so many generations to achieve, in a such short period.
some have commented above that a sharlin woul be vulnerable to a warlokc if attacked by side...well that is being very optimistic since the warlock would be vulnerable in ANY SCENARIO wen engaged with the Minbari.
However I agree that another clash with the minbari would make them think twice as they are accustumed to win with total impunity due to their stealth tecnology, this time there would be a few more minbari casualties..
Usualy a copy is worse than the original stuff... (no matter how patriotic you are)
About the number of ships in each races forces, we alredy number by the bilions now imagine how many of us there will be with several colonies... and the degree of automation there will be in the far future...

Awesome work team! Now what do we know about this ship? This is an easy model to setup (ie. one texture).

I doubt that a Sharlin would have the same advantage that it did over Nova dreadnoughts and Hyperion heavy cruisers.

I think even an Omega could give a Sharlin a bit of something to worry about. One on one, no....but in groups...a Sharlin could see some major damage.

We also have to think in terms that being 1,000 years ahead doesn't mean that weapon effectiveness is increased by 1000 times. If you watch closely in one of the epsidodes...a T-Bolt nails a Vorlon Fighter several times with its pulse cannons and then rips the ship apart. Granted that the Vorlon fighter is very much more advanced...but its not so much advanced that a T-Bolt couldn't send it straight to hell.

My personal opinion is that Earth is pretty close to the Minbari as far as fleet technology is concerned....by the time of the Drakh war...Earth is more advanced, if not as big as the Centauri, and getting closer to the Minbari. Getting in a fight with the Minbari would not be good tho.

Even though I know very little to nothing on this show... (I like to post in all topics, it just seems like spamming ) I would definately download tht hella l33t looking ship!!!

clearly all us humans need to give the minbari a complete ass whipping is buffy the vampire slayer for ground combat and luke skywalker in a fighter, who needs fleets.