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hmm we haven't but I'm pretty sure the have some mighty defense systems or at least some sort of trick up their sleeves if they were to be attacked.

A naked technomage... wonder if their sexual organs can do marvellous tricks as well, otherwise I dont envy them for their looks

Kuba

geez 1 day out and the place goes all to hell 200 posts?!!!

i dont think they are a match for a vorlon transport hell one of those can take down a shadow battlecrab

if they were taht technologically advanced they wouldn't have left they could more than handle themselfs if the shadows or vorlons came to play

hmmmmm magival tricks with there genetals well all guys can do at least one magic trick

I loved that episode. Humans have evolved into beings of energy, so we didn't blow ourselves up afterall

But as it seemed that the future humans could make themselves look "normal" without an encounter suit, so I think they might be more Lorien type than Vorlon. Probably something in between.

Damn.........I really want see what the world is like in year 3000. Or 4000

No way they'll have the puch of a Vorlon transport.

But even if they did, they STILL couldn't stand up to the ENTIRE Shadow fleet

There just wasn't enough of them.

but why would the shadows have sucha grudge agaisnt hem that they recieve the entire fleet? not that i think they have that kind of weapons either anyway

If the Shadows send a few ships, and those are destroyed, the Shadows will send more and more ships until the Technomages are gone.

true but its irrelevant after all since we dont know if they even have weapons on there ships - of cource if they had any sence they would move after the first shadow attack - i suppose they just prempted the shadows by hiding hmmmmmm oh well

I think the Technomages had secrets of their own that the Shadows were not to gain access to. Not only that but the Technomages would either be hunted down because of their power or used against the good of others.

Something that I doubt anyone in their position would want to do. Mostly they were afraid. So they left.

Yes i agree, and in a Call To Arms, you hear somthing along the lines that they are going to what a few thousand years, to asure the shadows are gone, and in the end one of them came back to help sheridan.

wasn't afew thousand years - it was another 20 years or so to be safe - they like being safe

ok in a battle to exstinction between the vorlons and the shadows who do you think would come out on top

that is if there are no younger races to get involved and help either side

Vorlons are definately more powerful upfront but the Shadows are a little more devious.

but without all the younger races the shadows have noone to be devious with vorlons are smart enough to know what the shadows get upto

just curious but what was all that about the vorlons not being ready to fight the war? they had more than enough ships to do the job epscially when you think a vorlon transport could takeout a shadow battlecrab

If it were just Vorlons and Shadows the Vorlons would win. The 'dows can't stand up to the standard Vorlon upfront assault.
The main shadow tactic is to infliltrate younger races, and weaken an alliance against them. Not doable with Vorlons.
Geez, this post is getting large. What's the record of responses to one topic in this forum? Anyone have an idea?

Hey are you forgotting that the Shadows are older and more advanced in technology than the Vorlons?

Vorlons have developed a big ass beam cannon that is better than that in the Shadows.

Howewer Shadows have stealth and advanced hyperspace technology, and thus the Shadows can attack against Vorlons behind their ships and fire at back of the Vorlons ships where there is no "shielding".

There is a high possibility that the Shadows can at least disable all dreagnoughts and possibly even transports if they fire at the engines first.

And we have to keep in mind that the Shadow battlecrab that was destroyed by the Vorlon transport was probably on of the smallest 'crabs.

Here's a new point for you to think about: Vorlons are all telepathic, and so if even the younger races' telepaths can jam a Shadow Battlecrab then what happens if a Vorlon gets pissed of? And it's obvious that Vorlons are telekinetic, so what's their P-rating?? Very High I think!

And Mr. Fury, do you remember the B5 show episode where The Vorlons attacked the Shadows (and after that Kosh was killed). Well in that short battle a Vorlon Star Dreadnought was hit by a Shadow slicer beam but the Dreadnought only got a scratch!!

The Shadows are more advanced in some things while the Vorlons are superior to them in some others.

And I don't actually know if a Vorlon Transport can destroy a Shadow Battlecrab (as I've incorrectly stated earlier, sorry about that!!). But at least a Vorlon Cruiser can destroy a Shadow Battlecrab. And so what's the Vorlon Star Dreadnought capable of destroying??

We should think it realistically, are Vorlon ships really that good when compared to Shadows ones?

Vorlons have possibly put most of the armor to front of the ships, it is best to attack behind where there is no large weapons and relatively low armor.

And what makes me think that Vorlon ships have low armor in back of the ships?
Simply: BALANCE

it would be really stupid if Vorlon ships can withstand heavy damage (Shadow slicer beam) from all directions, then these ships would be almost invincible.

And telepaths are useless against Shadow ships if the CPU is also telepath, especially if the telepath is also powerful one.

If Vorlons can raise Lyta's P rating, then Shadows can also do that to their minions. So there you have a excellent pilot for 'crabs.

"We should think it realistically, are Vorlon ships really that good when compared to Shadows ones?"
- Everything seen in the show suggests that.

"it would be really stupid if Vorlon ships can withstand heavy damage (Shadow slicer beam) from all directions, then these ships would be almost invincible."
- What makes you think they aren't??

"If Vorlons can raise Lyta's P rating, then Shadows can also do that to their minions. So there you have a excellent pilot for 'crabs."
- So why didn't they do that in the Shadow wars???