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Posted by Jabu on 03-12-2001 05:44 PM:

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Originally posted by Kuba:
And nobody gimme that bullsh!t that "b5tech is mostly fiction", cause if you say it isn't right without giving any canon proof then it's also fiction what you say, just that b5tech spends a lot more time looking that stuff up or working out the most accurate estimation possible.

You see, the point with ship tech is that without accurate information from the makers of the ship, there can NOT be a full info. You can calculate beam power and hull strenght and speed and everything all you want, but the undeniable fact is that everything will change in the next episode.

Like the scenen in ItB where a single Vorchan blasts a G'Quan in a few blasts. That can't be right, according to the series.

Posted by Kuba on 03-12-2001 07:11 PM:

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Originally posted by Jabu:

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Originally posted by Kuba:
That scale pic is pure bullsh!t, compared to the Omega, the Xill, Vorlon, Shadow and Minbari cruisers should be a lot larger!

You're one hell of a flamer, aren't you.

Anyway, that scale chart is correct. The Vorlon dreadnought isn't all that huge, the Sharlin is definately right, the Shadow battlecrabs come in many different sizes, because they're organically grown. The Xill isn't actually any bigger than the Whitestar, so that's correct too.

No, I'm not.
Where is this from and what makes you think it's correct? Ok, youre right about the Vorlon cruiser, it's rather massive than long, but this HAS TO be the smallest shadow ship possible, but what makes you think that the Xill is as big as a White Star, it should be 500m in diameter, and the Omega's 1.700m but it appears *more* than 4 times larger than the Xill.

Kuba

Posted by Kuba on 03-12-2001 07:20 PM:

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Originally posted by Jabu:

quote:
Originally posted by Kuba:
And nobody gimme that bullsh!t that "b5tech is mostly fiction", cause if you say it isn't right without giving any canon proof then it's also fiction what you say, just that b5tech spends a lot more time looking that stuff up or working out the most accurate estimation possible.

You see, the point with ship tech is that without accurate information from the makers of the ship, there can NOT be a full info. You can calculate beam power and hull strenght and speed and everything all you want, but the undeniable fact is that everything will change in the next episode.

Like the scenen in ItB where a single Vorchan blasts a G'Quan in a few blasts. That can't be right, according to the series.

1. You said it. You can calculate it, and that's what they do with an effort. But they also collect everything the makers said or that was spoken on the show.

2. Exactly, some scenes on the show can't be valid because they don't accord to the physical rules and facts. But STILL there are some people out there who wanna convince me that a few Hyperions can almost destroy a Sharlin just like that.

Kuba

Posted by Jabu on 03-12-2001 07:33 PM:

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Originally posted by Kuba:
but this HAS TO be the smallest shadow ship possible, but what makes you think that the Xill is as big as a White Star, it should be 500m in diameter, and the Omega's 1.700m but it appears *more* than 4 times larger than the Xill.

I see what's happening here. That chart is pretty old, and it's using low-end calculated figures for the Whitestar and Xill. So the Whitestar is about 270 meters, and the Xill is slighly smaller, according to the figures at the site. The info for the Xill's size WAS actually from B5Tech, before the place changed it, so I don't believe in it at all.

Shadow ships have been sighted in sizes ranging from about 1km to a massive 3km. That's about 2km wide, if you compare it to the Sharlin, so it's not very small at all.

BTW. All figures are from MMP's Ship page (Finnish), which is considered to be the most canon, at least by us Finns.

Posted by Kuba on 03-12-2001 08:00 PM:

Oh yeah I completely forgot that type of shadow ships which Sheridan approached first with the white star, they are relatively small.
But how do you measure a battlecrab anyway, measuring the span or the "body".

Kuba

Posted by Matthew on 03-13-2001 01:20 AM:

You proved my point with you foul mouth reply kuba

Posted by KillMeNow on 03-13-2001 01:26 AM:

ohhhhhhhh anyone wondered where the technomages come in ont eht ech scale - there ships aren't detectable it seems and they have alot of tricks up there sleeves (litterally) and i assume they are a group not a race since there are centauri ones humans ones etc and tehy all shares there tech since gallen's is far superior to earth force and hes human

Posted by Vlad on 03-13-2001 01:42 AM:

KillMEKNOW the technomages are far more advanced than most species, because they are many races put together, think of combining all know race technology(except for the fistones and the shadows and vorlons), also their relegion is based on technology, they are constantly improving their own technology, and they are constantaly comming upon new tech. I would say they are higher than all species in the Inner Steler(can't spell that great) alliance.

Posted by KillMeNow on 03-13-2001 01:48 AM:

i would agree they can certainly go along way off the hyperspace beacon without getting lost - wonder how they compare against the first ones etc - got to admit some of there tech is higly impressive

Posted by Sigma957 on 03-13-2001 03:53 AM:

The technomages got all their tech from the shadows that is why they left in a great hurry because they knew the shadows were coming and they didn't want to repay them back

Posted by CptWhite on 03-13-2001 06:36 AM:

and so the debate rages on after the 200th post...will this thread ever die.....place your bets as to when t will drop out of the top ten, i think may 2005

Posted by Redstar on 03-13-2001 08:01 AM:

I believe the Tchnomages are the firstones. In one episode (all flash backs) There is a human that turns into a vorlon and gets into an encounter suit as the earths star (SOL) goes super nova.

And in another there was a discussion that everyone was members of the Arthurian Legend (which is actually where parts of the story came from) and it was said (mostly in jest that Kosh was actually Merlin travaling backwards through time.

Which is really cool if you think about it.

Posted by Jabu on 03-13-2001 02:31 PM:

I think the technomages are a group of beings from many races that have been taken from their homeworld by a First one race thousands of years ago. Those technomages seen in the series are the grandgrandgrand...children of those orignal ones

That's just my theory, though.

Posted by Prophet on 03-13-2001 03:19 PM:

About that guy who turned in to a vorlon... In River of Souls, Lochley said that when a race developes in to a certain point, it turns in to a being of pure energy. When the Sol turns in to a supernova, it's possible that human race has reached that point and changed in to those ghost thingys...

About techomages, I don't think they are anything more than "normal" guys from different races. They just have some cool tech...

Posted by KillMeNow on 03-13-2001 04:23 PM:

its not shadow tech they just didn't want there tech falling into the wrong hands thats why they went away to hide

and that human vorlon issue thing that was suppost to be so far into the future we had evolved into what the vorlons are notice the ship - looks kinda cool didn't it - i bet it could take a vorlon ship - ohhhh bet it could squash a sharlin easily

anyway i was more interested in there level of tech not what they were - just wanted to know basically how powerfula force would they be in a space battle

Posted by Kuba on 03-13-2001 07:04 PM:

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Originally posted by Matthew:
You proved my point with you foul mouth reply kuba

No. I didn't.

Kuba

Posted by Jabu on 03-13-2001 07:09 PM:

Leave it be. Subject has been changed.

Posted by Kuba on 03-13-2001 07:51 PM:

Just dont wanna let lurkers think they can come and talk pure bull.

Dont have to say much about the technomages really... They're damn powerful. From what I've seen on Crusade, they probably could crush any younger race if they had to, but that's hypothetical of course. Dont know much about them really, but their ships seem to be quite the sh!t and man-to-man against a technomage.. well how the hell are you supposed do fight a frikkin MAGICIAN!

Kuba

Posted by KillMeNow on 03-13-2001 07:58 PM:

one on one there is no contest they are tough although if you stripped then naked (horrible thought) they still probally win since the other person would still be running away

a technomage might have come in handy when they were trying to kill off Kosh Mk II

there ships though we've never seen any evidence they even have any weapons on them

Posted by Jabu on 03-13-2001 08:48 PM:

That's true. I wonder why they didn't have any weapons in their ships. They probably do, just not that visible.

And packing the punch of a Vorlon transport, I bet

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