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Posted by NeoHunter on 01-07-2002 03:10 PM:

Thunderbolt

I have a question about the Thunderbolt.

It has one cannon, right?

So, can I assume that that one cannon is more powerful than the twin cannons on a Starfury?

Posted by IceFire on 01-07-2002 03:14 PM:

One cannon (although someone seemed to think it had six??? crazy!)...with a much faster refire rate (about what you saw on the show) and more damage per shot. At present I think its just a bit better than the StarFury's twin 40mm (with firing rate considered) but the fact is that any human is going to land more shots with a more rapid fire rate. So the overall advantage is definately there. Plus the T-Bolt is faster, slightly more manuverable, and a bit more durable (I say a bit because its a matter of 20 points).

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Posted by Triggy on 01-07-2002 04:04 PM:

IIRC in 'Ship of Tears' Sheridan states that the Thunderbolt has four main cannon. Also, in the Babylon 5 Security Manual it says that the Starfury has four forward cannon.

Neither of these statements are backed up by action seen in the show, the Starfury only ever fires its bottom two guns and the Thunderbolt only ever fires one main gun just under its nose.

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Posted by Prophet on 01-07-2002 04:31 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by IceFire
Plus the T-Bolt is faster, slightly more manuverable, and a bit more durable (I say a bit because its a matter of 20 points).

More manuverable than Starfury?! What the hell?

I thought it was not as agile as Starfury. Just faster and has more firepower etc. Afterall, it was designed athomospheric flight in mind.
BTW. Has anyone noticed how much better view the pilot has from Starfury? You can't see out too well from Thunderbolt....

About those guns... I have seen pics where the Thundebolt has four (4) (IV) holes in the nose. It looked like gatling gun

(ofcourse it wasn't) Perhahaps there is 4 guns which fire one after another (imitating Nial, perhaps)
Howewer, in this case it doesn't make any difference now does it...

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Posted by IceFire on 01-07-2002 04:35 PM:

quote:
More manuverable than Starfury?! What the hell?
I thought it was not as agile as Starfury. Just faster and has more firepower etc. Afterall, it was designed athomospheric flight in mind.

I have no idea where that idea keeps coming from. I always have one person who comments on it. Do tell where you got that idea.

When Sheridan gets the test flight in the Thunderbolt there are several things revealed including the fact that the controls are more sensitive and that there are 4 pulse cannons on the craft. Now...they may or may not have mentioned that the T-Bolt has more acceleration than the Aurora, but I think this is generally assumed to be the case.

In terms of this mod, sensitivity equals manuverability (this doesn't mean that the Aurora turns like a pig and the T-Bolt can fly circles around a dime) and acceleration equals speed. The 4 pulse cannons are in a gatling configuration (probably internally).

The gatling nature means that the gun can fire rapidy and then as the barrels swap around, they cool off so they can fire again.

Posted by Prophet on 01-07-2002 04:48 PM:

Well I have read it from some forum and I have heard people talking about it... I'll see if I can find any proof regarding my statement about the manuverability...

Posted by Raider on 01-07-2002 06:27 PM:

quote:
Neither of these statements are backed up by action seen in the show, the Starfury only ever fires its bottom two guns and the Thunderbolt only ever fires one main gun just under its nose

It has a Gatling configuration.
And the Starfury relay has 4 guns, I have the model right here. Four guns.
But somewhere I read, the T-Bolt also has a neutron beam against capships? Anyone any ideas?

Posted by pera on 01-07-2002 06:49 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Raider

It has a Gatling configuration.
And the Starfury relay has 4 guns, I have the model right here. Four guns.
But somewhere I read, the T-Bolt also has a neutron beam against capships? Anyone any ideas?

Neutron beam! Not likely, EA doesn't exactly have neutron beam technology, at least it didn't have when the thunderbolt was made...

And the thunderbolt doesn't have four guns, only a four-barrel gatling type gun, and there's a difference.

Posted by Alphakiller on 01-07-2002 09:22 PM:

Yeah, a gatling is one weapon - just with multiple barrels so the refire rate is much higher. You'll note, in Severed Dreams among other episodes, T-bolts shot 'bursts' of five or so bolts in rapid succession, about as fast as the Aurora could fire once. That, to me, implies gatling.

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Posted by Mr. Fury on 01-07-2002 10:18 PM:

Even B5Tech (that usually gives all ships unrealistic massive armaments) says that Thunderbolts have following armament:

4 Linked, Unidirectional 40mm Pulse Cannons
Fusion missiles [10 points]

Note: 4 linked = 1 gatling
And it seems to be about just right. (this time)

Even though it seems to give Aurora following armament:
4 40mm Pulse Cannons
2 35mm Pulse Cannons
Fusion missiles [8 points]

Six gunbanks...

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Posted by Starkiller on 01-07-2002 10:44 PM:

Wrong...
Linked doesn't have to mean Gatling...

Gatling means that you have a rotating set of barrels and just one firing chamber(where the bullet comes from). By rotating the barrel before the chamber you can achieve a very high rate of fire with less cooling problems.(the bullet takes another barrel)
Gatling wouldn't be logical when talking about energy weapons..
In space you would normally have no problem with cooling your barrels...

However a linked set of Guns can be 4 seperate guns which fire in succesion...(e.g it takes to much energy to fire all the guns the at the same time)

yeesh.. Hope you guys understand what I mean, my English sucks...

Posted by haderak on 01-07-2002 11:15 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Triggy
IIRC in 'Ship of Tears' Sheridan states that the Thunderbolt has four main cannon. Also, in the Babylon 5 Security Manual it says that the Starfury has four forward cannon.

Neither of these statements are backed up by action seen in the show, the Starfury only ever fires its bottom two guns and the Thunderbolt only ever fires one main gun just under its nose.

I'm about to shock all B5 fans but the Starfury does have 4 guns, 2 below th nose an 2 more on the uper wing roots just above the pilots head to the sides. It apears to be NOT an energy gun but rather like a space era Gatling gun similar to the ones present in todays fighters (I know theres no oxigen in space but visualy is similar)

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If you have "in the beginning moovie" go to that part during the batle of the line, just after sinclairs ship is is piked up by tractor beams, and seen inside from the inside sharlin where delenn is and one of the minbari says to delenn: " I'll see you in the interrogation" next theres one small sequence where a starfury fires this gun, and is hit by a minari fighter right on the cockpit and the pilot is projected through the blown "windshild" towards the camera.

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Posted by Ranger1 on 01-08-2002 01:12 AM:

The 2 extra guns on the Starfury are no surprise to me and I'm sure many B5 fans. Thoes guns have been noticed before and brought up elsewhere.

I just noticed that they were not on the Starfury in the game. Will that be fixed in the future?

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Posted by FlakBait on 01-08-2002 02:04 AM:

The "current" series era starfury is the SA-23E I think. The E on the end means there were a few other versions. This may account for the disparities in armaments.

But the one we've got now is fiiiiine by me.

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Posted by IceFire on 01-08-2002 05:14 AM:

I know that there are 4 guns....but we've never seen them firing...or if we have, in some very obscure fashion....and most likely its a matter of one set fires and then the other set fires.

Basically the reasoning is that we've never seen 4 pulses come from an Aurora at once. It doesn't rule the guns out, but we balanced with 2 guns in mind and with the intention of portaying the visual of the show (in this instance).

Posted by Ranger1 on 01-08-2002 07:11 AM:

I didn't mean make them have the ability to fire. I meant just to have them there.

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Posted by Triggy on 01-08-2002 12:01 PM:

Everybody has seen all four of the Starfury guns, just the same as nobody has ever seen the top two fire. As for the two rear guns on the Starfury, again I think that the official B5 Security Manual is responsible for this datum. The missile hard points are well observed in 'Thirdspace' but obviously not standard armament.

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Posted by nct000335 on 01-08-2002 02:12 PM:

I think you are all confused. "Gatling" does not mean rotating, as a single barrel gun can be a gatling cannon. As for the rate of fire, this is called the cylclic rate.

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Posted by IceFire on 01-08-2002 02:53 PM:

I checked around a bit.

The Gatling gun concept was developed by a guy whose name was Gatling. His gun had a internal barrel that revolved around while firing. Thus gatling.

4 linked pulse cannons may have been a slight bit of technobable...B5 didn't have much of it so there it was, your token technobable.

Posted by Raider on 01-08-2002 04:37 PM:

In a Gatling not only the barrels are rotating, mos of the weapon is rotating, exept the triggerthing.
DonÂ´t now whats in english.

The fighter with the rearguns was a Starfury Bomber configuration, the Badger.

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