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ok starting a debate - but let have no who would win in here - but lets discuss the specs of all the techs -comparing each races level of tech compared to the others in the areas of;

weapons - 1, damage per second. 2, overall damage potential.
sensors - range and limitations.
engines - 1,speed. 2, manverability.
armour - 1, relative strenght. 2, enhanced properties. 3, thickness prefered by each race.
C&C - 1,computers. 2,command interface.

just to point this out again i am assuming laboritory experimentation here - ie wepons used under test circumstances against different armour types etc no ships doing battle. so what you think?

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1: weapons-under test conditions-
1. damage per second:
Shadow and Vorlon weapons best, followed closely by Victory main gun
2. overal damage potential:
Shadow and Vorlon weapons again best

2: sensors
Minbari sensors should be good, also Shadow and Vorlon (remember Whitestar equipped with Vorlon tech discovered Vorlon fleet in Hyperspace)
Shadow enhanced EA sensors should be good also

3: engines
1:speed:
shadows and minbari(whitestar)
2:manouvrebility:
no doubt, shadows (even with large ships)

Maybe we better let out the Shadows and the Vorlons

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Originally posted by Starkiller
2: sensors
Minbari sensors should be good, also Shadow and Vorlon (remember Whitestar equipped with Vorlon tech discovered Vorlon fleet in Hyperspace)
Shadow enhanced EA sensors should be good also
Maybe we better let out the Shadows and the Vorlons

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well i would disagree about the tecknomages having better sensors than the shadows since they were supposed to have stolen there tech from the shadows - however tehre ships can indeed go far off the beacon - but from the epsiode where teh explorer gets lost in hyperspace it seems shadow ships can travel far off the beacons too perhaps they dont even need beacons and can sence realspace from hyperspace so always know where they are which reminds me in that epsidoe why didn't they just jump to nomral space get there bearing tell somebody where they were and await rescue

weapons damager per second is hard to judge obvioulsy the vorlon planet killer wins wthout any doubt there is little acaull evidence to suggest vorlon main gun power - since we never saw them slice up narn crusiers but its safe to say its in the same sort of range as the shadows - i would have to agree that perhaps the shadows and vorlons should be left out since they would win every catogry

engines - minbari without any doubt then centauri - earth aliiance then narns - the vree are probally about the same as teh centarui

sensors normal ea very poor well average - shadow enahnced i would argue that is what they mananged to penetrate the death clod with so obvioulsy very good sensors there but minbari sensors are good too but still not upto shado enhanced sensors

c&C well minbari win again - there metod for controling a battle give the commander a great view fo the battlfield are better than anything ea can manage but as for there computers thats a hard one to judge

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I agree that the Whitestar discovered the Vorlon fleet for story purpose, but everything happens for story purpose. To say it just like that is very cheap. In this way you could say it for every event in the show.

I think that we can assume that Minbari computers are far better than EA computers. Just imagine how much progress we made in 10 years, you could imagine how far the Minbari would be if they are 1000 years ahead of us.

Speaking of weapons, the GOD beam isn't bad also, and we are talking only about beams, don't forget the pulse weapons and the missiles. For instance, centauri mostly use pulse weapons, so damage per second is difficult to say.

well for pulse weaposn i would consider 1 pulse 1 sec of damamge and if they fire faster or slower than 1 persecond then you just have to deside on there damamge potential - i would think very little short of first one weapons would for example do more damage per second that the heavy plasma cannons on b5 - jsut afew hits from those tore an omega appart - imagea continuous stream of them - that would be serious firepower but since teh fire so slowly other weapons are perhpas got a higher overall damamge potential where as there damamge persond is far lower

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i would agree that it would seem obvious that minbari computer would be better - however on the otherhand perhaps we have quatum computer and there simply is nothing better and that computer tech has maxed out

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Also the Minbari have that really cool 360 degree projection system allowing their commanders to see the entire battle in real time with no delay. In an engagement with a lot of ships having to work together, the ability to be able to see the entire battlefield could be decisive. I guess the key thing with any of the B5 computer systems would be how quickly the crew can absorb the information, and act accordingly.

I guess in that regard, any race using organic technology in thier ships would come out on top, at least under laboratory conditions. In the field, well as we've seen in the show, things are not always happen as you would expect them to.

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we are staying awfully close to battle conditions which i wish to avoid - just general effectiveness of tech - but yes the minbari command center would seem the most effective short of the shadow system of being directly linked to the ship

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Does anyone know what kind of system the Vorlons used?
I remember reading somewhere that their fighters were unmanned, they had a consience of their own, that would of course be best, even better than the Shadow system.

Now about armor:
Of course Shadow and Vorlon bio armor is best.
Whitestars armor is not fair to compare with others because it's mainly Vorlon tech.
I think best is kind of armor used on Victory, followed by Minbari,Centauri,EA and Narn. Maybe EA better than Centauri, because of knowledge about Victory.

i would put ea amour above minbari armour - maybe its just because of the thickness used but fighter ramming sharlins could do signigicant damage but they didn't do much harm ramin an omega - infact the omega survived the impact of a whitestar going very fast- ok it didn't suruve but the ship was still there - so ea armour has to be really quite good i'd put it better than the sharlin or rahter minbari armour in general in overall effectiveness whether its due to the nature of the armour or that fact it is think - but its my opinion that it cant be taht much thicker or the ship wouldn't move very well at all and without the armour it would be able to move nearly aswell as a sharlin which just cant be right so i think the armour is indeed quite good

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OK tech by order:

Sensors:

1-shadows
2-Vorlons
3-technomages
4-minbari
5-drakh
6-centauri
7-EA
8-narn


Computers:

1-vorlons (standalone sentient ships)
2-shadows (needs someones brain)
3-drakh (direct contact with shadow tech)
4-minbari
5-centauri
6-EA
7-narn (far behind all others)


engines by power of accelaration:

1-Shadows (by far, looka at those crabs fly, everything else looks like standing still)
2-vorlons
3-minbari Gravimetric drive
4-centauri (more advanced)
5-EA (behind by little margin since EA ships have huge engines)
6-drakh
7-narn (little behind EA's purely by less tech)


armour:

1-vorlons
2-shadows
3-minbari
4-centauri
5-drakh
6-EA
7-narn

weapon by POINTS PER SECOND damage

1- Vorlon mainguns
2-shadow main beam
3-EA's beam tech (but much shorter range however, longer recharge time, and less efective in advanced armour)
4-drakh blue beams
5-minbari beams ( but much longer range and penetration power in advanced armour at that range, lowest recharge time, also mounted in huge numbers)
6-Centauri
7-narn

this last field might be confusing because EA's position will fluctuate depending wich armor will face its weapons. In case of minbari and uper tech EA drops to 5th behind the minbari, this also doesnt reflect total pints of damage at the end of firing since firing duration varies from race to race.
Ea's X-rays lasers have highest damage per second in a rapid burst while slice mode lasts longer but inflicts only surgical damage (look at agippa being sliced localy in severed dreams, also look at clarkstown destruction in the same episode).
All this at much closer range than all other races exept maybe the narn.
Minbari beams can endure longer firing in max damage potential with longer range than EA's hence more powerfull in the end.

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Ok, laboratory conditions.
I agree-from what we've seen post-Minbari war EA armor has improved. It is on par, if not superior to, the Narn, Centauri, and probably the League worlds. I'm not really sure how it stands up against Minbari armor. I think EA armor may be thicker, but Minbari armor may refract beams and bolts better.

One thing I think is significant to note. Weapons technology of ALL races has far exceeded any defensive systems (e.g. shields, armor, interceptors).

Oh yeah, and I think anything in the way of a whitestar at max-burn is probebly going to get pretty well trashed.

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I think that Mr.Fury is right. Technomages had best sensors and those were based in Shadow tech, but in other hand those sensor were build by shadows and technomages sensor may be little older version. It would go like this:
1. Shadow
2. Technomage
3. Vorlon
and so on

I would like to raise a point about the advancement of species. It isnt always about how old a race is ( look at insects), but rather, how clever the race is. Therefore I come to this conclusion, in the near future earth tech would have surpassed all other races ( except the Thirdspace aliens). Just look how far we have come in such a short period of time. Shadow have had there tech unchanged for thousands of years. In the next great war they would get whooped by earth. The race that build drakh ships, (these big headed brain-o-thons) have built very good ships, and probably are planning there replacements. The Thirdspace aliens however, are a completely different story, as they are a race that exterminates other races it comes across. Ok, so the shadows believe in creating war every thousand years, these aliens are at constant conflict, they cannot afford to have second best weapons systems. For example, the thirdspace "fighters" were probably not fighters at all, more like unmanned drones. The big ship that was comming through the gate, not a cruiser but a fleet escort, a Corvet or Gunboat.

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I agree that EA tech advanced quickly from their first contact with the Centauri until 2268 but a lot of this was due to purchasing technology from the Narn and Centauri and from having technology shared with them by the Shadows and the ISA. This effect of "catch-up" will be reduced as the EA reaches technological parity with the other races but humans do seem to have the resources and ingenuity to at the very least not fall behind again.

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They never fell behind, they were just catching up, period.

The comment that EA armor is better than Minbari armor is probably correct in inherent strength and overall thickness. EA armor is probably alot thicker because it has to be able to take the abuse. Minbari armor is probably alot more advanced in terms of being able to deflect a pulse or beam shot away.....and probably in terms of being repaired.

Just a thought

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