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Posted by A2597 on 11-27-2001 12:08 AM:

Enough!the Official Size Charts...

I've been getting a little fed up with all these ship size post, most are WAY off. So, here are the official size charts made by Tim Earls. (Worked on B5 CGI for those whom are uninformed)
http://www.b5-blender.com/Chart1.jpg
http://www.b5-blender.com/Chart2.jpg
http://www.b5-blender.com/Chart3.jpg
http://www.b5-blender.com/Chart4.jpg

Sadly, the Sharlin isn't on this list, but lets just say it's safe to say it's the 2400 meter range, not the 400 meter range. (Hello? it's bigger then a whitestar....)

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Posted by IceFire on 11-27-2001 12:35 AM:

400 meters is definately bogus, but to blow a hole in Tim Earls size charts but the Drakh Mothership's size is very much messed up in the CGI that presents it.

It was shown twice. Once during ACTA and once during Each Night I Dream of Home.

In both cases, the model is not upto scale. If it were, it'd be huge, dwarf everything else, and the Excaliburs gun would not engulf half the rear section in one shot.

The rest of the values I agree with however.

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Posted by Londo Molari on 11-27-2001 12:46 AM:

The HUGE DRAKH MOTHER SHIP that is shown to be huge, dwarfing everybody else was ONLY SEEN ONCE IN BABYLON 5, with Delenn and her whitestars. It is the correct size.

It was NOT seen in ACTA.

in ACTA we saw only regular Drakh cap ships.

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Posted by Edwin on 11-27-2001 01:07 AM:

how may B5s could you stick in it? (ex. 4 end to end and 3 wide)

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Posted by Sigma957 on 11-27-2001 02:45 AM:

What Delenn saw was actually a cruiser not a mothership but it was the mothership to those raiders....

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Posted by darthwoo on 11-27-2001 03:00 AM:

Hmm...can't check it right now, but I'm pretty sure there was a Drakh mothership, or at least something with an identical side profile in ACTA. It gets its sides ripped up by the Victory's forward cannons early on in the battle.

Posted by IceFire on 11-27-2001 03:03 AM:

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Hmm...can't check it right now, but I'm pretty sure there was a Drakh mothership, or at least something with an identical side profile in ACTA. It gets its sides ripped up by the Victory's forward cannons early on in the battle.

Yup, and that scene does not give the Drakh Mothership (not Cruiser Londo) the huge B5 eating tubby that is shown in the size charts.

They may be "official" but this is one ship where the CGI guys did not follow.

Posted by Galen on 11-27-2001 08:25 AM:

In A Call to Arms when the Drakh fleet comes out of hyper space you can see a Drakh mother ship in the background and it's pretty dang big, at lest B5 size I think.

Galen

Posted by pera on 11-27-2001 10:35 AM:

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In A Call to Arms when the Drakh fleet comes out of hyper space you can see a Drakh mother ship in the background and it's pretty dang big, at lest B5 size I think.

Galen

Yep, that could be pretty close.

But some other things about those charts, the Sentri is way too big, the chart says that it would be 22 meters long, longer than a vorlon fighter. Watch "acts of sacrifice" and you can see that they are just about the same size as a narn fighter. I'd say that it's about 10 meters long, and 15-20 meters wide.

And the hyperion is called a "destroyer" and Nova a "gunboat".

Posted by Mr. Fury on 11-27-2001 10:40 AM:

Well, if official size is 52 km then it's 52 km, no more, no less.

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Posted by Triggy on 11-27-2001 12:10 PM:

Don't forget what you see on screen is the CGI where they can make mistakes/effort savers whereas Tim Earles has worked out all of these statistics in an effort to maintain consistency between episodes.

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Posted by A2597 on 11-27-2001 01:29 PM:

Don't forget, they measure from the tip of the wing to the back tail fin. The Sentri is a LARGE highly manuverable fighter. Currently, it's only about 20ft longer than a F-15 , not that bad, and sounds accurate.

And no, no one agreed with the Drakh Mothership thing, and I agree, WAYYY to big, although it's task was suposedly to carry the entire drakh race...

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Posted by IceFire on 11-27-2001 04:26 PM:

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And no, no one agreed with the Drakh Mothership thing, and I agree, WAYYY to big, although it's task was suposedly to carry the entire drakh race...

If thats so, then perhaps they decided to scale it down after the size charts were made which is a possibility. They've used them twice now and that suggests that they are more like a command and control ship than a huge thing.

Mr. Fury, just because the official charts say something doesn't mean that they followed those charts all the time or that they were made with 100% accuracy or that something didn't change after they were made. The 52KM size is not played out in the CGI which means something was changed....or admitedly, someone screwed up. Don't trust even official sources blindly.

Now, as for this MOD, I think a nice 4-5KM will do quite nicely for our purposes which gives us another Drakh ship that we can realistically use.....the Vorlon PK had one purpose, to blow up planets, so we can do the huge size on that one....we won't worry about lack of turret density because it probably didn't have any other turrets, but on the Drakh ship, I'd like to have alot more flexibility.

Posted by Mr. Fury on 11-27-2001 05:40 PM:

Hmm... Babylon 5 is 8,5 km long, can't we make Drakh Mothership at least 10 km long? That thing launches Drakh Cruisers like fighters goddammit! Well, maybe not as much but still...

Posted by FSF Ashrak on 11-27-2001 07:33 PM:

is that drakh thingy that big
capships as fighters

i can allredy see it 9000000 polys =)
gameplay down to 0 fps a minute

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Posted by Ranger1 on 11-27-2001 07:41 PM:

10-12km for the Drakh mothership sounds good. That gives if an imposing size like in the show but not too big like a planet killer and as we saw in ACTA one of the Victory's tore up the side of one of the mother ships with one volley of beams. Also make the drakh cruiser about 400-500 meters longer then a Omega because there is no way they are bigger than the Excalibur from what I have seen in ACTA and Crusade. As for the cruiser Delenn took out that was probably made so large to make the Drakh look like a powerful race because if that ship was huge. However, when you see the cruisers as the Excalibur passes through the deathcloud in ACTA(chasing the scouts making contact) the cruisers on the other side looked tiny compaired to the on Delenn took out. The cruiser also looked smaller when the Omega was chasing in in Crusade and forced it to crash. The crash wasn't even that big either.

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Posted by flunk on 11-27-2001 07:46 PM:

I don't know the exact details but the shalins that were in the demo seemed small to me. Shouldn't they dewarf the EA hyperion and orion class?

Posted by Ranger1 on 11-27-2001 07:53 PM:

The Sharlin is about right because they look like they are about the same length as an Omega but the hyperion look like it is 100-200 meters too long but I think it works fine in the game.

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Posted by IceFire on 11-27-2001 08:39 PM:

I think most of our lengths came from B5 Tech.com

I also think they are fairly accurate in most or all cases. The Hyperion is at the right length believe it or not. The Sharlin is the right size as well.

Sometimes sizes can be decieving in CGI if the angle is different and the placement is off. The Drakh Cruiser is going to be the size that is listed.

Posted by Triggy on 11-27-2001 10:09 PM:

If you never have mission with the player getting too close to the Drakh mothership, what would be the problem in having a medium poly but huge ship?

If you have the smaller mothership then will it still be able to deploy multiple 3km+ Drakh cruisers as seen in the show?

I do think that B5Tech have most of the lengths of ships spot on, even if they have problems with one or two other "facts".

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