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Posted by Bill Clo on 11-06-2001 02:23 AM:

Any other options for downloading the demo?

I am wondering if there are any other options for downloading the demo. Reason I ask is that if I were to download the whole thing (and what's the point in less than the whole demo?) it'd tie up my only phone line for 16-20 hours (56k modem). Even doing it in sections is going to cause major problems for me.

Are there any plans to distribute CDs of the mod? I know you probably can't charge for it because you don't own B5...

I'd really love to see the demo, but I don't see how I will be able to.

Or if there is some way for the files to be Zipped, it might help.

Posted by IceFire on 11-06-2001 03:23 AM:

Because of the fine line we walk with legalities, were not going to even go close to distributing CD's....not a chance.

If a gaming mag does put the MOD in on a CD, we'll be sure to tell everyone.

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Posted by Alphakiller on 11-06-2001 04:15 AM:

The files are also already compressed, quite a bit. IMO, your best bet is GetRight / Download Accelerator / GoZilla - it'll take a while going stop/start, but you can keep plugging away using the resume feature.

Another option if you don't want to leave it running overnight (which is how I ran big downloads on my 56K) is to set the download programs 'speed limit' so it only uses X amount of bandwidth, say, 1k/sec, then continue surfing as normal. It'll slow you down a bit, but not too much, and you'll get some data transfer ... not a lot, but better than nothing, right?

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Posted by IceFire on 11-06-2001 05:13 AM:

The packs are compressed with algorithms that are better than ZIP.

Posted by Mr. Fury on 11-06-2001 07:20 AM:

Hey hey! I managed to compress it better! Even magnificent 2 MB smaller!

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Posted by Drahkas on 11-06-2001 07:23 AM:

wow! i tried to compress it every which way i could think of... only got a few kilobytes

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Posted by Edwin on 11-06-2001 04:24 PM:

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Originally posted by IceFire
Because of the fine line we walk with legalities, were not going to even go close to distributing CD's....not a chance.

If a gaming mag does put the MOD in on a CD, we'll be sure to tell everyone.

If a gaming amg puts the mod in a CD they'll chop half the stuff you already have from it.

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Posted by Prophet on 11-06-2001 04:29 PM:

People rarely call me at night...
How about you? Could you download at night...?

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Posted by Zeronet on 11-06-2001 07:58 PM:

I have a 56k and it only took me 3 hours at a steady 4.9 kb/s.

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Posted by IceFire on 11-06-2001 08:43 PM:

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If a gaming amg puts the mod in a CD they'll chop half the stuff you already have from it.

Why? Where did that happen? They didn't do that with Tac Ops 2.0, nor with any of the other MODs I got off a CD. They didn't cut Dynamos Awakenings Campaign in half, and so I have no idea where that came from.

Posted by Bill Clo on 11-06-2001 09:26 PM:

I don't think I understand why it wouldn't be a good idea to distribute CDs. I mean, it's not as if you're charging money or anything, right? Nor making a profit. Must be some legal mumbo jumbo I've not heard of. Don't go and get into trouble.

Oh well, it'll have to be the 56k overnight download, I guess...we have fairly slow phone lines here, and I often get lost connection. This is why I'm not a fan of overnight downloads - I never know if it disconnected overnight or whether or not I will actually get the whole thing.

Another reason I don't think too much of overnight downloads is that twice now, when I was doing them, there was a family emergency and they couldn't get through to us.

I'll just have to do it in sections, and pray it works out.

3 hours for all 130MBs? On a 56K? That doesn't sound right.

Posted by Triggy on 11-06-2001 09:42 PM:

With a perfect connection it should take a little over five hours, but Zeronet may have been talking about the 60MB core files only.

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Posted by Bill Clo on 11-06-2001 10:09 PM:

I'm lucky to get 4k/sec around here, with these crappy phone lines. And I get dropped connections at once a day, sometimes more.

We don't have the option of DSL here, and cable modem is mucho expensive here ($80+ a month including basic cable)...

I'll be REAL lucky to get it in an overnighter, and probably will require 2.

Posted by Alphakiller on 11-07-2001 07:06 AM:

Bill - legality is exactly why. It's always safe to err on the side of caution in cases like this, which is what TBP is doing.

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Posted by Bill Clo on 11-08-2001 12:39 PM:

After a session of praying to the telecommunication gods, and offering an old 56k modem for sacrifice, I was able to complete the download for the demo. A frigging miracle!

Just kidding. Well, the demo looks GOOD so far. Have to brush up on my rusty FS2 skills - haven't played it in a while.

I salute the guys who spent all that time putting together the MOD for us to play with. I like it...

Posted by Edwin on 11-08-2001 04:10 PM:

HUH?

I am seriously confused now. If it is perfectly leagal for a gameing magazine to put it on a CD and SELL that CD with their magazine, why can't you put it on a CD and ship it for FREE to the people who have no other way of getting it?

(like people who have no hope of getting it because their modems and ISP's are crap and can't log into the sites.)

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Posted by Triggy on 11-08-2001 04:14 PM:

Aside from the time and effort required to produce the CDs I'm afraid to say that Bill Clo and Edwin do have a point

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Posted by IceFire on 11-08-2001 08:49 PM:

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I am seriously confused now. If it is perfectly leagal for a gameing magazine to put it on a CD and SELL that CD with their magazine, why can't you put it on a CD and ship it for FREE to the people who have no other way of getting it?

Its really quite simple. It has nothing to do with the magazine distribution being more legal than what we can do, but the fact that they are taking the risk in doing it and not us. A gaming mag probably has a team of lawyers ready at the drop of the hat. They have the backing of belonging to a larger organization (PCGamer is from Imagine for instance).

We are just a bunch of fans. If WB brings down the anvil, we basically roll over and die because thats the only option we'll have.

If we sent people CD's, then there are the whole issues of if we actually charged them money for it. Did we charge Shipping costs to them? We're those shipping costs higher than they should have been?

So by staying clean and away from that kind of thing, there can be no legal repercussions of any kind in that area.

Yes we've made a fan based modification of a TV show and we've collected sound samples, and video samples, and all of that kind of thing from the show to create our experience. We're not charging any money for it, its Warner Bros. material and property, and technically MODs do fit into the legal grey area of "Fan Art".

But its a grey area, and if we walk closer to the side of light then we have a better chance of surviving than if we walked the side of dark.

We just want to make this MOD for fun, because we want to do it, and because Babylon 5 hasn't been done much in the way of justice (Buda5 and IFH being exceptions) for a space combat type of game (Homeworld B5 TCwas good too, just a different kind of game).

So, if you were us, would you risk it all on sending a few people some CD's, or preserve the MOD's position by not.

Posted by Edwin on 11-08-2001 09:44 PM:

Oh. Ok then. I will just have to do without the MOD hten. It wo't kill me. I can aways get other B MODs. Even if they are crap. oh well.

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Posted by Alphakiller on 11-09-2001 02:09 AM:

Nah, go find some 'cyberspace cafe' where the computers have CD-R drives, buy a blank CD-R, go to said cafe, download on their ethernet, burn CD-R, go home. Probably cost you $5 for the time plus the cost of a CD-R.

Or...another option is the local library - my library had a hella fast ethernet connection, you can ask if they have CD-R drives (chances are the answer is no, but hey.)

And the last option is find someone who isn't a TBP staffer to burn a CD-R...although I'd imagine asking somewhere else might net you some better results. Hey, you tried the FS2 forum on the VBB? You'll probably get 90% crap but you might just get one person to help out.

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