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Shivans and Nebulas.....

Because of the large amount of posts going up about the connection between the shivans and nebula in the "speculation" topic, I thought it would be nice if it had its own spot where people can put down their own theorys.

Okay, I believe Shivans use Nebulae to get stoned.

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Originally posted by Melef:
Okay, I believe Shivans use Nebulae to get stoned.

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My guess is that perhaps the nebulae enhance the Shivans already sensitive subspace senses.

It has been documented in several official tech descriptions that the Shivans have some sort of special relation with subspace.

So, perhaps this sensitivity is enhanced and the evidence for this theory relies on how quickly the Shivans found the Trinity, the Aquitane, and how quickly they moved into Gamma Draconis once the portal was open.

Its almost like they were on a great pilgrimage.

What about the system after the second knossos, that wasn't nebula.

And what's behind the third Knossos? :E

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Originally posted by DarkHorse:
And what's behind the third Knossos? :E

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What is behind the third Knossos portal? The answer.

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Originally posted by IceFire:
What is behind the third Knossos portal? The answer.

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Like I said in the 'Speculation' topic, I think nebulae are to Shivans what solid ground + breathable atmosphere are to humans and Vasudans.
If, as some appear to think, the Shivans used the nebulae to enhance their senses (sensors?) and thereby increase their combat effectiveness, then why didn't they turn every sun the Sathanas fleet (or whatever device was used on Capella) came across into a nebula?
No, I like my theory (yes, I'm being biased in my own favor - so sue me! ). We see in FS1 when the captured Shivan freighter was boarded that the Shivans are adapted to zero-G environments quite well, what with their 5 legs and all. I think that they create nebulae so that they can have a comfortable, natural environment in which to construct a base.
This would also give them the added bonus of having a hard-to-detect base. In fact, you can even accept both theories - a base in the nebula would have increased Shivan sensor effectiveness. In combining the two you could look at the situation like this: We humans have more effective senses inside the atmosphere (in space there is no sound or smell, and even sight is affected by the lack of depth distortion the atmosphere gives to distant objects). Perhaps the same kind of situation exists with the Shivans and whatever senses they may have.

BTW, Merry Christmas and Happy Hannukah to all!

[This message has been edited by sandwich (edited 12-25-2000).]

Not every star you nuke is going to become a nebula...I doubt that the Shivan device works on every star they run across.

No, the destruction of Capella has grander implications than just the destruction of a simple star.

Jeng: Ohhhh I know

(no I don't...but damn it sounded good and we all know that the TRUTH IS OUT THERE)

If you think about it... The tech room says that shivans appear to have been built.

Maybe the Ancients built them. Ever think that?
And when the Shivan creatures were made there was a glitch in their programming and they became too strong, and they killed off the ancients before they had a chance to stop them, with the subspace knowledge they had.
The shivans just kept getting more and more powerful while mass-producing, and taking over system by system killing everything they found, including stars and planets.

As for the subspace senses, maybe they were programmed to be guardians, to protect the Ancients from enemy attack and they sensed the subspace signatures of their enemies.

This kept going until they found the T-V war going on, and were undergunned. Though the fact that they were a scouting party suggests that they have some form of intelligence (unlike plasma... )

They found us, saw that we were not as advanced, underestimated us, entered our systems, got killed off, and we thought that was the last of them... But the Sathani, later on proved that we severely underestimated them, they arrived with a vengence, attacked and Bosch stuck his head in...

The end. For now...

That was long...

ever thought about the fact that the shivans were so advanced they engineered themselves?

the human race is coming up the the stage where it can gentically alter itsleves to perfection in the human image, what happens if a hive mind society like the shivans are thoeised as being could design specfic attirbutes for different casts.

as with the subspace thing i have to theories, its possably that its a religious thing, and they are stopping peeps from befouling it, or as the ending of fs2 completely puts any theories about the shivans in doubt, that they are servants to beings or something in subspace and are being claled home.......

I swear I posted this theory somewhere before, but here it is anyway

Think of the Shivans as fish(no Vasudan jokes), and the nebulae as big fishtanks. Maybe the Shivans evolved entirely in nebulae, to that's where they're accustomed to being. Also, when a ship enters a nebula(via subspace or just entering it), it would make a compression wave(ripple effect) that would alert the Shivans.

This theory is a total rip-off of Species 8472 from Star Trek Voyager, but it makes sense, right?

Ancients did NOT create the Shivans no matter how many times you try and say it.

Volition has stated, the Ancients were only a century ahead of the GTA by the end of FreeSpace 1. And that was only in subspace technology. Their weapon systems were far inferior to what the GTVA has. The ancients got their asses whupped and they cried and went home and then the Shivans destroyed their world leaving only charred remains for the Vasudans and Terrans to find.

Ice, that post is older than the Shivans topic in General discussion. Ace already pointed out how many different ways I am wrong...

If i rember right in FS2 Dr someone i dont rember her name. said that the kossos was not shivan technolgy. it doesnt have the Characteristics of shivan technolgy i dont relly rember the word she used. later on in FS2 you find out that the Ancients made it. if the Ancients made the shivans woulden the technoly of both race be about the same. just one race more developed then the other.

A.) Dr. Mina Hargrove

B.) Nothing was said about the Knossos, it is Ancient.. I.E. Superior subspace tech.

May be the Shivans blew up Cappella for a staging point for a massive counter attack. They could use the energy and raw materials in the nebula, to stage a new fleet of massive preportions. Then they would open up the node to GTVA space and attack. don't forget, the Shivans has Knossos technology as well. So they can use this to open up the Jump node bewtween Vega and Cappella.

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My mother told me violence is not the anwser, but it is a solution.

i might as well play the game agin i rember her saying that the kossos was the acients technolgy. ill play the game agin anyway hehehe